[SEO]

If you didn't read it yet, please take a look: Users active in past 1440 minutes.

[mojo]

I must have noticed this right after you made the change. Odd that... it's sort of the way I am.

[Alexa]

At first, it looks like we got a ton of users. I think it's a very good traffic, if we can have it in 15 minutes. We must get 96 times better than what we're now. You see, 1440/15=96.

I didn't know the forum has this option. If I knew it earlier, I could immediately suggest to use it, because it's a good period (24 hours). I think the geeks, SEOs, webmasters, advertisers, sociologists, etc. are interested in how many unique visitors a site gets per month and daily or per 24 hours. When they use our 24 hours' stats and alexa.com, then they'll have clear vision for the real potential of this forum. Transparency is good. (I don't mean that we must share all our secrets and to share show private information. I mean the transparency of the daily unique visitors and other stuff like this.)

Have a nice... period of time!

[mojo]

It takes time and effort to build a following for a forum. It's not something that is accomplished overnight. You have to groom your pet and provide it with constant care before it rewards you with returned love.

[Non-SEO]

It takes time and effort to build a following for a forum. It's not something that is accomplished overnight. You have to groom your pet and provide it with constant care before it rewards you with returned love.

We do exist for years (I think from 2011), but we were surprised of the lack of good participants (as you and a few more). Later on, we learned more about Facebook, Twitter, Pinterest, Reddit, VKontakte and other social networking websites, which are the one and only competitor of the forums. We met people online, who are engaged only in one of these networks (for example only in Facebook) and they even have no idea what's a forum. It was ridiculous to see that a moronic guy online said that this forum is a... blog. In such online status it's easy to get visitors (they're finding us via Google, Yahoo, Baidu, Alexa, Yandex, Bing and other's search engines or they're finding us via some of the mentioned website above: Facebook, Pinterest, some Chinese social networking websites... and rare from some another type of website like some personal blog). 

We're worried about a lack of future capacity, because almost all of these visitors are not going to join us; they're going back to Facebook or Google and so on. (I forgot to put in this list other two big categories of netizens: the ones, who only watch videos in Youtube, Youku, Tudou, etc., and the ones, who are online only to play games/the gamers.) 

[Alexa]

It takes time and effort to build a following for a forum. It's not something that is accomplished overnight. You have to groom your pet and provide it with constant care before it rewards you with returned love.

We do exist for years (I think from 2011), but we were surprised of the lack of good participants (as you and a few more). Later on, we learned more about Facebook, Twitter, Pinterest, Reddit, VKontakte and other social networking websites, which are the one and only competitor of the forums. We met people online, who are engaged only in one of these networks (for example only in Facebook) and they even have no idea what's a forum. It was ridiculous to see that a moronic guy online said that this forum is a... blog. In such online status it's easy to get visitors (they're finding us via Google, Yahoo, Baidu, Alexa, Yandex, Bing and other's search engines or they're finding us via some of the mentioned website above: Facebook, Pinterest, some Chinese social networking websites... and rare from some another type of website like some personal blog). 

We're worried about a lack of future capacity, because almost all of these visitors are not going to join us; they're going back to Facebook or Google and so on. (I forgot to put in this list other two big categories of netizens: the ones, who only watch videos in Youtube, Youku, Tudou, etc., and the ones, who are online only to play games/the gamers.) 

Once and if a website become popular enough, then (as a snowball rolling in the snow) it is getting more visited, hence more popular, etc. I can give you example with Alexa's Top 500 websites. If your forum/blog/social net/... enters there, then other websites' owners probably may include it in their articles, comments, etc. (like we did it right above there, when we talk about VK) This will make the website more visited, more ranked, more popular. The process is like this one related to business and money: The first $1 million is the hardest.

I mean that only visitors are enough, if their quantity is impressive. (The best is when the visitors are also members like Mojo, MSL and some others among us, but it's impossible, so the realistic is to hope for and to attract more average visitors using our simple method, which is posting about everything. It's the Wikipedia's way. And it's one of the most visited websites in the world.)

[Gay]

It takes time and effort to build a following for a forum. It's not something that is accomplished overnight. You have to groom your pet and provide it with constant care before it rewards you with returned love.

We do exist for years (I think from 2011), but we were surprised of the lack of good participants (as you and a few more). Later on, we learned more about Facebook, Twitter, Pinterest, Reddit, VKontakte and other social networking websites, which are the one and only competitor of the forums. We met people online, who are engaged only in one of these networks (for example only in Facebook) and they even have no idea what's a forum. It was ridiculous to see that a moronic guy online said that this forum is a... blog. In such online status it's easy to get visitors (they're finding us via Google, Yahoo, Baidu, Alexa, Yandex, Bing and other's search engines or they're finding us via some of the mentioned website above: Facebook, Pinterest, some Chinese social networking websites... and rare from some another type of website like some personal blog). 

We're worried about a lack of future capacity, because almost all of these visitors are not going to join us; they're going back to Facebook or Google and so on. (I forgot to put in this list other two big categories of netizens: the ones, who only watch videos in Youtube, Youku, Tudou, etc., and the ones, who are online only to play games/the gamers.) 

Once and if a website become popular enough, then (as a snowball rolling in the snow) it is getting more visited, hence more popular, etc. I can give you example with Alexa's Top 500 websites. If your forum/blog/social net/... enters there, then other websites' owners probably may include it in their articles, comments, etc. (like we did it right above there, when we talk about VK) This will make the website more visited, more ranked, more popular. The process is like this one related to business and money: The first $1 million is the hardest.

I mean that only visitors are enough, if their quantity is impressive. (The best is when the visitors are also members like Mojo, MSL and some others among us, but it's impossible, so the realistic is to hope for and to attract more average visitors using our simple method, which is posting about everything. It's the Wikipedia's way. And it's one of the most visited websites in the world.)

I think we missed the golden time (decades ago), when there were not many forums. Many of the early forums got good presentation and after the boom of the social networks (Digg, Reddit, etc.) these forums were (are) still in condition to bring a huge amount of traffic. So now we do it the hard way.

[mojo]

...we were surprised of the lack of good participants...

When I got away from BBS's and actually had internet come to town, forums were what I cut my internet teeth on. At that time there was no Facebook, no Twitter, or the rest of them. I'm an oddball in many ways. I don't do any of those popular sites you've mentioned with the exception of Reddit. There's just too much datamining for my tastes. To me the trade off of using the site is not worth the giving up of all your data.

Much of those today on line are of much younger generations who grew up with the internet always having been there. Instead of needing a set of encyclopedia's they had it all at the tips of their fingers.

I often wonder exactly what caused the change in this latest generation that is now pushing for political correct speech. Whether their mindset will change with the leaving of the educational system and having to join the working world. It seems to me the working world has always been the great leveler when it comes to changing attitudes and fashion.

I tend to think much of what you speak of is driven by all this. That's just pure speculation on my part, no more, no less. It seems to couple with the inability to actually say what is on your mind without needing a herd around for backup and reinforcement, no matter how strange the proposal or idea and that much of it is chained to being rude or just down right nasty; socially.

Maybe they grow out of it. Maybe they grow some spine to actually be individuals. Maybe there is no hope but I refuse to accept that answer.

Still you have a point, that's the future membership if there is to be a future. I can see where that would be a concern, easily. In many ways, the 'internet training' I got from use came over the years, like IRC in the late 90s. I met my lady just after that as she was my working pardner at a science forum, at the time the 300^th globally ranked forum. So much of what today's world is now using as the internet for a dating scene. Chuckles

My point in all this rambling and wandering of past personal history, is that long use and growing as the internet grew, gives one the ability to actually communicate thought, more so most often than emotion. Those types of users are few and far between. My history has given me plenty of time to hone my skills for forums into something that is as individual as I am. TBH I don't need to be told how unusual for a member I am, I know. Been to many, many, many, forums over the years. Long enough to hone those skills as far as how to communicate, how to lay out a post, how to say things (rules or no rules there are always ways to say what you mean without breaking the intent and still get across exactly what you mean).

I mean that only visitors are enough...

You and I will have to disagree on this one unless I misunderstand your meaning. The quality of the visitor is often not displayed; it is the participation, rather than the presence, that provides the content to get others involved. If you can just hit that one pet peeve, or stroke that one thing people stand for as individuals you change them from visitor to participating member. To do that takes a quality that is rare to find. Very difficult to inspire that sort of reaction through text, as usually you are getting to the individual through some of their strongest beliefs.

One of the greatest things about forums, is not agreement. Instead it is the opposite. You can't have a good discussion with out disagreement. There has to be two sides in order to create a great conversation.

[SEO]

It takes time and effort to build a following for a forum. It's not something that is accomplished overnight. You have to groom your pet and provide it with constant care before it rewards you with returned love.

We do exist for years (I think from 2011), but we were surprised of the lack of good participants (as you and a few more). Later on, we learned more about Facebook, Twitter, Pinterest, Reddit, VKontakte and other social networking websites, which are the one and only competitor of the forums. We met people online, who are engaged only in one of these networks (for example only in Facebook) and they even have no idea what's a forum. It was ridiculous to see that a moronic guy online said that this forum is a... blog. In such online status it's easy to get visitors (they're finding us via Google, Yahoo, Baidu, Alexa, Yandex, Bing and other's search engines or they're finding us via some of the mentioned website above: Facebook, Pinterest, some Chinese social networking websites... and rare from some another type of website like some personal blog). 

We're worried about a lack of future capacity, because almost all of these visitors are not going to join us; they're going back to Facebook or Google and so on. (I forgot to put in this list other two big categories of netizens: the ones, who only watch videos in Youtube, Youku, Tudou, etc., and the ones, who are online only to play games/the gamers.) 

Once and if a website become popular enough, then (as a snowball rolling in the snow) it is getting more visited, hence more popular, etc. I can give you example with Alexa's Top 500 websites. If your forum/blog/social net/... enters there, then other websites' owners probably may include it in their articles, comments, etc. (like we did it right above there, when we talk about VK) This will make the website more visited, more ranked, more popular. The process is like this one related to business and money: The first $1 million is the hardest.

I mean that only visitors are enough, if their quantity is impressive. (The best is when the visitors are also members like Mojo, MSL and some others among us, but it's impossible, so the realistic is to hope for and to attract more average visitors using our simple method, which is posting about everything. It's the Wikipedia's way. And it's one of the most visited websites in the world.)

I think we missed the golden time (decades ago), when there were not many forums. Many of the early forums got good presentation and after the boom of the social networks (Digg, Reddit, etc.) these forums were (are) still in condition to bring a huge amount of traffic. So now we do it the hard way.

It's not how many people post (quantity), it's how good they post (quality). I can illustrate with this extreme example:

• Forum (blog, social net, etc.) A -- the shitposts' site with 999 users.
• Forum (blog, social net, etc.) B -- the quality posts' site with 9 users.

The A has 999 posts per day like: "ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!", "Who the hell u r?!", "Fattie detected!", "Niggers!", "Yo, bro!", "LOL LOL LOL.", "Jeeeeeez!", "Give me 5 nigga!", "Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu", ":PPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP", etc.
 The B has only 9 posts per day, but they're like encyclopedian articles.
 Can you guess 1 year later who will get better traffic, site A or site B?

Another important point is how many links people share in the Social networks, other forums, blogs, portals, wikis, etc. And I think it's pretty clear: it's better if today you get 20 new links, than you got only 1 link, right?

It's not all. There are dozens of optimization rules and practices, but these 2 are the most important: quality posts (articles; content) + links from good sites (related, bringing visitors).

(I saw that Mojo posted an answer right now, but I'll read it later and if there is something more to say I will say it later too, because I'm in hurry to post this one now.)

[SEO]

...we were surprised of the lack of good participants...

When I got away from BBS's and actually had internet come to town, forums were what I cut my internet teeth on. At that time there was no Facebook, no Twitter, or the rest of them. I'm an oddball in many ways. I don't do any of those popular sites you've mentioned with the exception of Reddit. There's just too much datamining for my tastes. To me the trade off of using the site is not worth the giving up of all your data.

Much of those today on line are of much younger generations who grew up with the internet always having been there. Instead of needing a set of encyclopedia's they had it all at the tips of their fingers.

I often wonder exactly what caused the change in this latest generation that is now pushing for political correct speech. Whether their mindset will change with the leaving of the educational system and having to join the working world. It seems to me the working world has always been the great leveler when it comes to changing attitudes and fashion.

I tend to think much of what you speak of is driven by all this. That's just pure speculation on my part, no more, no less. It seems to couple with the inability to actually say what is on your mind without needing a herd around for backup and reinforcement, no matter how strange the proposal or idea and that much of it is chained to being rude or just down right nasty; socially.

Maybe they grow out of it. Maybe they grow some spine to actually be individuals. Maybe there is no hope but I refuse to accept that answer.

Still you have a point, that's the future membership if there is to be a future. I can see where that would be a concern, easily. In many ways, the 'internet training' I got from use came over the years, like IRC in the late 90s. I met my lady just after that as she was my working pardner at a science forum, at the time the 300^th globally ranked forum. So much of what today's world is now using as the internet for a dating scene. Chuckles

My point in all this rambling and wandering of past personal history, is that long use and growing as the internet grew, gives one the ability to actually communicate thought, more so most often than emotion. Those types of users are few and far between. My history has given me plenty of time to hone my skills for forums into something that is as individual as I am. TBH I don't need to be told how unusual for a member I am, I know. Been to many, many, many, forums over the years. Long enough to hone those skills as far as how to communicate, how to lay out a post, how to say things (rules or no rules there are always ways to say what you mean without breaking the intent and still get across exactly what you mean).

I mean that only visitors are enough...

You and I will have to disagree on this one unless I misunderstand your meaning. The quality of the visitor is often not displayed; it is the participation, rather than the presence, that provides the content to get others involved. If you can just hit that one pet peeve, or stroke that one thing people stand for as individuals you change them from visitor to participating member. To do that takes a quality that is rare to find. Very difficult to inspire that sort of reaction through text, as usually you are getting to the individual through some of their strongest beliefs.

One of the greatest things about forums, is not agreement. Instead it is the opposite. You can't have a good discussion with out disagreement. There has to be two sides in order to create a great conversation.

I can explain it. From a webmaster's point of view (when you're the one, who owns and makes websites) the best ones are those, which get the most traffic with least efforts. It's a boring statement, I know, but the details are maybe interesting. I'll construct a list (of how I view the things and I dare to say this is the current attitude of most of the webmasters, site owners, site brokers...) and here we go:

• Website without traffic or minimal traffic. It's worthless from business point of view -- nobody gives a dime for it. This website usually has a short life, if it's not hosted in some free hosting and if hasn't free domain (usually it's a sub-domain). Next.
• Website with some traffic. Maybe it worth something (the worth is in the eye of the beholder), if you find a good sponsor or someone, who wish to pay some good ca$h for it.
• Here is the kind you talk about: website with many visitors and many users. Millions of people visit it every month, but they have different needs, attitudes, ideologies and online habits. You're wasting 30% or up to 90%+ of your time to deal with them. You even can't read all of their messages, posts... and you're not able to be adequate, when there is some problem. You need to hire friends, colleagues and in some cases even lawyers, when the flood stars to bother you. There are not omnipotent competent key managers or experts that can help you to overcome any problem you might have. The stress is giant.
• The ideal variant: a website that offers a certain online service (only visitors and users, but no members, no forum) and also brings you millions of visitors. Then you only manage the technical aspects of the website (its performance) and you're getting rich, without any serious effort. 'Happy slacker' type. Maybe a good example is some popular online dictionary or some popular online calculator.

I think the last type costs most (in most of the cases), because it's (almost) effortless, but successful.

[MSL]

 Well, obviously we can't make this forum to be something so 'happy slacker' type as number 4 , but I think we can get pretty close to number 3, especially when I finish to post (and repost) much of content from other websites + to upload at least 85%-90% of our photos. (And, meanwhile, if Mojo keep posting in his good quality as usual, I'm really optimistic about the growth of this website, which, by the way, is in a better level currently than many, many others, including forums.
 The last time when a webmaster I know saw it, he said it's a very well developed forum. He meant according to the number of the posts, topics and the pageviews. And I do agree, because I know some even elder forums than this, which do not have so many posts, topics and pageviews. If you don't believe me, I can give you some example.)

[SEO]

Well, in fact... if this happens (level 3), then we'll be happy slackers too, because we'll retire with a lot of money and we'll put Mojo as a high-paid CEO here (because of his forum experience and his young spirit, and his art sense).

Maybe in this stage it sounds like a buddy joke, but I  really think something in this sense; he is the One!

[MSL]

 I vote for Mojo! (Because I want to be something like semi-retired, if we get a rich community status in the future.) And I suggest his high CEO salary to be based on something like 30%-34% of the incomes (i.e. ¹/₃ of the incomes).

[mojo]

Not sure exactly how to say this so I'll just up and out with it. I'm sort of happy the way things are now. No worries, no time having to spend straightening things out or going for some sort of goal. The couple of places I have now, are essentially worry free. No spammers, no having to ban anyone, as they are hmmm.... well mannered places. There's nothing to prove, no need to play anything other than janitor. That's about as laid back as you can get.

Taking on another site would at some point take probably more time than I would be willing to give when I start back into my graphics and sooner or later, I will be back into them making new.

If for any reason I've given a wrong impression of looking to take on another place then I am sorry for the misconception. It was not with that purpose in mind that I mentioned past history.

Call me content for the time being.

[MSL]

 In fact, I think, it's exactly the opposite problem here: it's not about "to take on another place", it's about we have too many empty/free places (and, yes, it'll be very good, if these places will be not places for spammers and people deserving ban, but for more normal people like us).