"Idk why you think this way as if people were obligatory to be faced with 'Kleshas' so that if you tried any means to escape from them you were being avoidant."
Let me check the dictionary.
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Kleshas? OK, "in Buddhism, are mental states that cloud the mind and manifest in unwholesome actions." (Wikipedia)
Because when you are an incel and your body, your brain lack of sexual and love needs you can't just ignore them as "kleshas". What when the need calls? You'll masturbate? And then? Again?... That's not so easy to ignore. If you're hungry and no food? You'll be like "No, bro! Hunger... it's just some kleshas, let me ignore it. For how long?" "If you are thinking Buddhism is a copium because it does not teach you how to 'ascend', then you are deadly wrong."
Oh... oh, my... It's worse than a copium because it is teaching you how to ignore your needs as a person, to live in an imaginary world, to forget about women, to be a 100% volcel. Of course it's not going to teach you how to ascend, it makes you
a 100% volcel. ![Grin ;D](http://www.seo-forum-seo-luntan.com/Smileys/blue/grin.gif)
"What is called 'escape'? When you try any means not to do something you are obligatory to do, which typically harms others when you do not do it, then this behaviour is called 'escape'. "
Idk, depends... what definition you pick up for it but... if you're a victim of the inceldom and instead to fight to go out of it, you embrace it
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, then the Buddhism makes you more incel than you were before. Because now you will think that being loveless and sexless is "normal" and you'll be (or already are?) a volcel.
"Am I supposed to be faced with 'Kleshas'? No. "
Are you supposed to search for love? No. Are you supposed to search for food, water?... No. It's up to you. All is Kleshas. Why then to struggle to search for: women, food, water...? Just ignore it and wow, what a "free man"... ups, dead man too... Sorry.
"If you want to say that because Buddhism teaches you how to 'escape' from 'Kleshas' so that you will not be contributing to the world, the society, etc., not complying with 'putra dharma', not studying, etc., you are not still invested enough in Buddhism. "
I don't want to invest in religion, especially such a loser-making like the passive ones. I don't want to be brain-washed by any religion or politics or propaganda of any sort that will teach me how wrong I am for willing to have a better life based on satisfying my true,
natural needs. And putra dharma (a person's duty as a son) isn't something I meant. I mean that it will teach you to ignore your true self, your needs, your social life and the end is what? Being in a temple and becoming a monk volcel. Wow, what an achievement.
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Bro, you can become a volcel
without any religion too. Why bother to learn useless things to obtain the volcelism when you can just say "I gave up, I am defeatist, so from now on I am a volcel and just let me live my life learning about the IQ metrics, geometry and my other nerdy stuff without bothering." Isn't it easier and healthier?
"Buddhism teaches you to hold 'Bodhicitta'."
Translation, again. Okay, "
bodhicitta, ("enlightenment-mind" or "the thought of awakening"), is the mind (citta) that is aimed at awakening (bodhi), with wisdom and compassion for the benefit of all sentient beings." (from Wikipedia).
Wisdom and compassion? And how the wisdom is coming without education, science? You have to learn, to experience, to study, to think. It's not as easy as reading religion books and becomg a monk. And about the compassion, you can have it (practice it) without sunk in religious cults and nonsenses.
"Yeah Buddhism thinks it's better to 'restore' people, but it's also good to 'benefit' people by any means, including publishing breaking studies what I am now managing to accomplish. Buddhism never said the latter was not good."
And how they (Buddhist monks) are benefiting me when they come to knock the door for giving them something? Being a beggar isn't something useful for the community. They're making me poor (if I give them something). Why they don't give me, to make me richer? You see? This is the problem. The religions doesn't produce anything but propaganda and lies. Of course, there are some who organize charitable actions and stuff but again, mostly begging others to give, give, give... Even some kids produce more than a monk because they can help parents to clean the street or to go shopping.
"What I think you may feel 'negative' about Buddhism is that it negatively sees Gymmaxxing or else"
Not everyone? Or Shaolin (the perfect example of giga-gymmax and martial arts) is a Muslim temple?
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Nothing to do with the gymmaxx. I just feel that Buddhism and inceldom are very related -- being a Buddhist already makes you a volcel or at least an incel who tends to give up easier than the atheistic incels and others.
"since it is an indication of 'ātma-grāha' in the perspective of Buddhism, but Buddhists seek for 'real happiness'
Oh, yes. Our happiness is the real one. (We heard it before. Every propaganda is teaching you that its happiness is the best. Xi Jinping's 吃苦-ism (chiku-ism) is also, according to him, something that is real happiness...) Being loveless, sexless, kissless is the "real" happiness. Ah, forgot: no meat too! What a happy life! Meat-less, love-less, girlfriend-less... do you feel how "happy" you are?
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"while common people seek for 'fake happiness'"
Yes, sure. Having a tasty meal with meat, having love and living outside of a boring 100%-male community is a fake happiness. I feel you, bro.
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"I don't think it's 'escapism' when you are seeking for 'real happiness', distracting yourself from Gymmaxxing or smth, since per se you are not supposed to seek for 'fake happiness' instead of 'real happiness'. "
With this thinking you are ready to even join some aggressive army (like Putin's one) where they will easily teach you that to die for your Putin (or Xi, Kim...?) is the "real happiness". Come on, you're one of the most intelligent incels I met. Are you really so naive to fall for "only my happiness is real, because I am a Buddhism man"? I am speechless.
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"Correct me if I am wrong. Well I've not learned Buddhism for a long while so I may have said something absurd, or that 'does not uphold the dharma', if I put it by the terminology of Buddism."
Nothing wrong bro... just say it shortly: "I lost it, I became a volcel. Wish me good luck with it."
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