[SEO]

Colleagues, friends, users

Why don't you post more in here?

I'm thinking how beneficial it would be, if you post more. And I'll summarize it in this way. Let's count that we have got at most 10 real and true colleagues and/or friends, users. If all of you post here just 2 post daily it is: 2 x 10 x 365 = 7300 posts/year!

This topic isn't to criticize you, it's to find out the reasons and to improve this or that, if it's possible. (And, from the SEO point of view, to add some fresh, unique and useful content.)

So, what stops you/limits you to post more?

[MSL]

 I'm one of the top contributors in this forum (no doubt). I'd like to post more, but my limits are mostly two:

• Not rich enough.
   I can't afford just to stay online as much as I wish. I have to work offline, otherwise I can't pay for my bills, my food, my clothes and my transportation.
• Not enough time.
   Because of that I'm not rich enough, I have to work offline (not only online), I spend a lot of time outside -- working, walking (or by bus), coming back. There is a lot of housework, too: washing vegetables, fruit and other products (like snacks, drinks...), cleaning, etc. (taking a shower once or twice per day, depends of the season)... sleeping.

[Alexa]

Material and Moral Stimulation

You know... the stimulation. There is different stimulation -- material and moral stimulation.

We can't complain about the moral stimulation here, can't we? But the material... 

An example. When I (or somebody else) participate in some of the food/cooking websites with a post (recipe with photos), we often get material presents like these... wait a moment... I'll show you 2 pics:

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Maybe some guys will say it's not so necessary and it's just mercantile, but it's really better than 0, 0.0, 0.00000 and 0.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 ...

[英语课]

Take a look at one of my (many) presents from one of those other websites:

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Good material stimulation.

Comparing with the posting and the results here... No comment.

[PageRank]

1. The forum maintenance like "Find and repair any errors", "Optimize all tables", "Convert HTML-entities to UTF-8 characters", "Convert HTML-entities to UTF-8 characters", error logs, etc. is time consuming. It's a sort of invisible work on the forum. You do it, but maybe 99.99% of the people around know only who post more and who post less.

2. When I can't say something of importance, I prefer to read.

[MSL]

More snacks, soy sauce, vinegar... for the ladies and they'll post more!

And something valuable (semi-ontopic):

Material and Moral Stimulation

under socialism the forms, methods, and means of attracting and motivating people to work and increasing their drive and initiative.

Interests are the moving force of human labor activity in any socioeconomic system. “The economic relationships of any particular society,” F. Engels wrote, “manifest themselves above all as interests” (K. Marx and F. Engels, Soch., 2nd ed., vol. 18, p. 271). Among the many diverse interests, the priority belongs to material interests: the necessity of satisfying material and cultural needs. The extent to which these needs are satisfied and the form of the satisfaction are conditioned by the level of development of productive forces and the established production relations. In antagonistic societies the exploiting classes have resorted to coercion in its two basic forms—noneconomic and economic—to force people to work and then to appropriate the results of their labor. In the precapitalist class systems the basic form was noneconomic coercion: that is, direct force, subordination, and the personal dependence of working people on the exploiters.

With the appearance of the capitalist system noneconomic coercion was replaced by economic coercion. Working people, ostensibly free, are forced to work for the owners of the means of production out of fear of hunger and the real danger of being left without the means of existence. This system creates the appearance that there are equal relations between the entrepreneur, the owner of the means of production, and the worker, the owner of the labor. This appearance is intensified by the forms and systems of wages that are used; they engender the illusion that the standard of living of each working person depends only on his attitude toward work,capabilities, skills, labor productivity, and so on.

Under capitalist conditions, economic coercion is combined with various types of incentive systems and with the payment of bonuses for such attributes as “diligence,” “special effort,” “initiative,” and “striving for cooperation.” The chief purpose of all of these methods is to involve the workers in the successful operation of the capitalist enterprise, to smooth over class contradictions between labor and capital, and to increase surplus value, which is appropriated by the entrepreneur. However, attempts by the capitalists to proclaim a “community of interests” between the exploiters and the exploited are not usually successful. The class contradictions in capitalist society are becoming increasingly acute; the struggle of the working people for their economic and political rights is intensifying in all countries.

Under socialism the objective necessity of material stimulation of labor is conditioned by the level of development of productive forces that has been achieved, as well as by the nature of production relations and the nature of the social division of labor.

In the first phase of communism, under socialism, the socioeconomic heterogeneity of labor has not yet been overcome and labor has not yet become a prime necessity of life. At the same time the process of expanded socialist reproduction assumes an influx of production and office workers to all areas of public production without exception, regardless of working conditions. In this case, society has an interest not only in attracting people to work and providing all enterprises with the necessary workers but also in seeing that workers in all areas of production systematically raise their level of knowledge, improve their skills, and economize on social labor. In other words, it is in society’s interest that workers raise the individual and social productivity of labor. In the first phase of communism all of these tasks are accomplished through personal and collective material incentives and through scientifically substantiated wage differentiation, with due regard for such factors as worker skills and the difficulty of the work.

The Communist Party and the Soviet government attach great importance to material incentives for workers. Summarizing the experience of the first years of Soviet power, V. I. Lenin formulated the principle that it is possible to lead millions of people toward communism “not relying directly on enthusiasm, but aided by the enthusiasm engendered by the great revolution, and on the basis of personal interest, personal incentive, and business principles” (Poln. sobr. soch., 5th ed., vol. 44, p. 151). Personal material interest, in turn, influences many aspects of the socialist economy. Virtually all the factors on which growth in labor productivity depends are linked in some way to the personal and collective material interests of production workers.

Under socialism the principal form of material stimulation of the workers is the wage payment, which is made up of three interrelated and interdependent elements: the tariff system, labor rate fixing, and forms and systems of payment. The report of the Central Committee of the CPSU to the Twenty-fourth Congress of the party stated: “A major aspect of economic activity, on which the efficiency of production depends to a large extent, is the improvement of the system of payment for work. Conscientious, highly productive work must be encouraged and better remunerated. It would be expedient to provide enterprises with broader possibilities for giving incentives to those workers and collectives who make the largest contribution to the development of production, combine trades, and adopt a careful and thrifty attitude toward social wealth” (Materialy XXII’s”ezda KPSS, 1971, p. 70).

As the economic reforms go into effect, the interests of each worker are increasingly integrated with the interests of the enterprise collective and of society generally. Worker collectives have a growing material interest in improving the qualitative and quantitative indexes of their economic activity. The size of the material incentive fund and the fund for sociocultural measures and housing construction at each economically self-supporting enterprise depends on the actual results achieved by the enterprise collective. Bonus systems play a large part in providing material incentives for the personal initiative of workers. The material incentive fund is used to pay bonuses to production and office workers for fulfillment of particularly important production assignments and for actual achievements, as well as to provide assistance if needed. Approximately one-third of the fund is spent to pay bonuses to production and office workers on the basis of the results of the enterprise’s economic activity for the year. This system stimulates productive and continuing work by every working person at the particular enterprise.

A very important characteristic of the socialist economy is the combining of material and moral stimulation of labor. The increased material interest of workers should foster an expansion of moral stimuli to labor—this is what the party’s economic policy demands. Moral stimuli are based on socialist production relationships.

The understanding by the working people of a socialist society that their standard of living and the cultural development of the individual depend directly on the overall successes of the country’s national economy forms the basis of the new, conscious attitude toward labor under socialist conditions.

The development and expansion of socialist democracy and involvement of the working people in production management promote greater moral stimuli to labor.

The development of moral stimuli to labor is based on the common interests of each worker and collective of workers of the particular socialist enterprise. Raising the real income of each worker and increasing social consumption funds, which go for the construction of housing, children’s nursery schools and daycare centers, clubs and stadiums, houses of rest, recreation buildings, and the like, depend directly on successful production activity by the enterprise collective.

The collectives at Soviet enterprises and institutions, above all the party, Komsomol, and trade union organizations, play an enormous part in instilling a communist attitude toward labor and developing moral stimuli. The creation of a friendly, benevolent atmosphere that combines high and mutually respected standards with mutual assistance in work ensures that all members of the collective will have a real opportunity to study, improve their skills, and move ahead on the basis of past service; each worker can expect a solicitous attitude toward his talents and capabilities.

The combination of material and moral stimuli to labor and the activism of the builders of a new society manifest themselves in the appearance and development of different forms of socialist emulation. Lenin’s demands that socialist emulation be given broad publicity, that results be comparable, and that know-how be disseminated are very important in strengthening the moral stimulation of labor.

At every socialist enterprise and institution various forms of moral stimulation are employed, such as expressing gratitude, awarding Certificates of Honor, entering the name of a distinguished worker in the Honor Book or on the Honor Board, and awarding the title of best worker in a particular occupation. In many cases material incentives are added to moral incentives by giving distinguished workers valuable gifts and paying monetary bonuses. In all activities related to worker incentive the administration operates together with the trade union committee or in agreement with it. In some sectors of the national economy and in some republics, medals have been instituted for the best workers (such as the Honorary Railroad Worker medal or the Distinguished Worker in Socialist Emulation of the Ukrainian SSR). Every collective at a Soviet enterprise or institution has the right and broad opportunities to use various forms and methods of moral stimulation for its best workers.

A system of national incentives for workers who have distinguished themselves has taken shape in the USSR. The Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR awards orders and medals to production leaders and innovators: production workers, engineers, technicians, office workers, and workers in science and culture. The highest distinction for working people in the USSR is the title Hero of Socialist Labor. In 1974 the following awards were instituted: Order of Labor Glory with three classes, for production workers and kolkhoz members for long years of selfless, highly productive labor at one enterprise, and the Veteran of Labor Medal. The Lenin Prize and State Prize are awarded for major achievements in the development of production, science and technology, culture, and art.

The harmonious combination of material and moral stimuli ensures that it will be possible to make full use of those advantages inherent in the system of socialist production relations, advantages that guarantee the rapid development of productive forces and the creation of the material and technical base of communism.
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Marx, K. Kapital, vol. 1. In K. Marx and F. Engels, Soch., 2nd ed., vol. 23, ch. 8, pp. 274-86, chs. 17-20, pp. 545-75.
Lenin, V. I. “K chetyrekhletnei godovishchine Oktiabr’skoi revoliutsii.” Poln. sobr. soch., 5th ed., vol. 44.
Materialy XXIV’s”ezda KPSS. Moscow, 1971.
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E. L. MANEVICH1
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[Non-SEO]

Pointing to some of the objective (imho) reasons -- it's a forum. Many of the netizens prefer to post in Facebook, Twitter, Reddit, Pinterest, etc. These are very big competitors of our forum and of the rest of the forums around the net. Am I right?

[Gay]

So many posts in 5+ years. Exactly currently there are 27238 Posts (in 4520 Topics ) and what? Do you really think 7300 more posts will help that much? I think it will be the same (well, approximately the same). If we may have 7 000 000 (or at least 1 000 000) posts it's already totally another situation, but 7300 or 9300... I don't think so.

[mojo]

Under normal circumstances I can be quite active. As it is my presence here, like most of you, isn't limited to just here. Usually I am just as active some place else as I am here. So there is the time factor.

Forums hold a special place in my heart. Maybe it is because I cut my internet teeth on them, learning as I go. Forums have the advantage you can take your time in responding, usually when used properly to give a quality post. Unlike chat where the at the moment is more important than the contents. Quality posts take time to organize, as opposed to a crap post given in the moment. I'd rather have one quality post than 10 crap posts. Volume of posting does not always equal better.

[Alexa]

Mojo, you're currently at 'post: 4.923 per day'. Your 'per day' is good. Compare with my '0.458 per day'.

You're absolutely right. Some websites with only 20-30 quality articles (posts) have got much more traffic than others with thousands of low quality posts.

[SEO]

Thank you very much for the big interest in this thread! I didn't expect so much, so I'm a sort of flattered!

Obviously, Mojo is posting more than 2 posts per day (I meant people, who even didn't post 2 per day, but surely lurk around. )

I'm happy you're discussing some SEO details and I'll explain more; I hope it'll be interesting.

• As it was mentioned before (in some other thread), it's much, much better to have 1 quality post, something like this: "X is in Y and Z is their neighbor. X's rivers are more than 50, Y has a giant lake and Z is a mountain paradise.", than the so-called 'shitposts' like "X? LOLOLOLOLOL.", "Y. What?!", "Z! "...
• The language matters. If your quality content is in some big language like English, Spanish, Chinese, Arab, Russian, etc., it's beneficial, but if it's in some endangered language like Magati Ke, then it's nearly impossible to get some serious traffic.
  Btw, here are the last 3 speakers of the endangered language Magati Ke: (By Neddy1234 at English Wikipedia, CC BY-SA 3.0, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=47104969)
• The SERPs. As you already know, if your site is ranking at page 1 in Google, Yahoo, Bing, Yandex, Baidu and so on search engines, then you'll have surely better traffic than, if your site ranks at page 12, 17 or 191.
• Who and where do share your content. If you have users, who are at the same time big fans of the Social networks (VK, Twitter, Pinterest, etc.) and they share often your content, you'll get a lot of traffic (sometimes even bigger than the one from the SEs.)
• Other factors. (Like what's your budget for advertising, if there is any, and so on.)

I hope it makes clear that I know the situation well and I haven't illusions that 7000-8000 additional posts may bring 'the miracle', but because this is the easiest and this is the thing that we can control best, I decided to bring it to your attention. (What I mean by 'this is the easiest and this is the thing that we can control best' is that posting a few posts is very easy, it's not like the linkbuilding where you have to go and search related + trusted websites, to explore their rules, to keep their rules and, sometimes, to deal with users, moderators and administrators, who are not able to understand and follow their own rules, like in that case with the Voat.co's admin (co-admin) Atif Colo (a young Bosnian Muslim male), who doesn't follow their own (voat.co's) anti-spam rule ('20% : 80%') and banned Seo-forum-seo-luntan.com in Voat.co, explaining the ban with a lie 'spam'! )

[mojo]

I did not for a minute think that the thread referred to me personally. I like many of the more interesting active people on the internet have opinions. I will freely share those where they are welcome. I can't say I will always agree but by and large I will share the reasoning behind it when I do post and it is needed.

You folk here have treated me well and probably for that reason alone I've stayed and contributed. It's always a two way street when you begin somewhere new. Not only does the site have to accept you; you have to accept it.

When your account is new, it's easy to maintain that post per day business. But it doesn't really mean much because RL tends to interfere with on line presence and the longer the account is active, the more subject you are to having occurrences that will prevent you from posting, bringing your average down. Such is life and the posts per day don't tell you of this. Like much else that is tried to improve activity, I tend to call it e-penis stuff. The idea that a post count or approval rate by posts really mean something. They don't. It's the communications where you connect with your potential readers that do mean something.

Posts that have interest I find more and more here. You folk tend to go off and actually research items to learn more about it and in this you are similar to many of the better and well informed sites, as opposed to those that depend on splash value and click bait to keep their numbers up.

While forums are on the decline compared to many of the instant gratification sites, such as twitter as example, this sort of format is more in my interest and enjoyment.

[Alexa]

A bit about the big boards/biggest forums/largest forums

Mojo you're talking deep, sweet and it's a pleasure to read and reread your post. The only thing I wish to explain is that it's not exactly true that

forums are on the decline

and there are some noticeable (noteworthy) examples (if we own something like this, we'll be probably very rich ):

Some of the biggest/largest forums

Some of these biggest forums (largest forums) are (links to their Alexa.com's rankings):

http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/conceptart.org (with currently 3,599,276 posts.)

http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/gaiaonline.com (with currently 2,319,787,683 posts)

http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/d2jsp.org and so on, and so on. 

So, well, according to their ranks and their amount of content (posts/articles) they're pretty popular.

My idea is, there is still a lot of opportunity for the forums, but not for every forum.

[MSL]

  I like most of the Mojo's posts and here he's very right too, but the most I like is this:

You folk tend to go off and actually research items to learn more about it and in this you are similar to many of the better and well informed sites, as opposed to those that depend on splash value and click bait to keep their numbers up.

I'll continue this kind of thinking with something more:

• A few years ago I discussed the development of the communities (forums) like the one here with some of the good local SEOers, webmasters and others in this and the similar fields. They pointed to two main ways. One is the concrete niche forum, the other one is an encyclopedia like forum. In the 1-st case you're having a certain niche ('motorbikes', 'soda', 'electronics', 'philosophy', etc.) and you're chatting/posting only about this concrete, specific topic (and, of course, its subtopics). In the 2-nd case, it's obvious, you're talking about everything you can (and you're allowed to).
  Both ways has their strengths and weaknesses.
  Here the chosen way is the encyclopedian one.
   It needs a lot of hard job, thousands (or more!) of articles (posts/submissions/whatever-you-call-them), but if and once you do it, then it'll make you one of the best ever! (If you doubt about it, just take a look at Wikipedia, Britannica and many other 'about everything' websites!)
   So, once we chose the hard, but the high-level way, we should continue it, no matter what!(
• Here is something to add (not only towards Mojo, but to all of you and to the readers here). It's a simple SEO knowledge, but let me add it:
  It matters (I'll explain it in the simple non-SEO way) how many people search to find something: the expectations are that, if you post about something/somebody popular like Clinton, Putin, Xi (politics) or 'Captain America', 'Monkey King'('Sun Wukong'), etc. (cinema) probably you'll get more traffic than, if you post about Aristippus of Cyrene (philosophy) or about Monte Negro (a small European country in the West Balkans; Southeastern Europe).

Let me illustrate with two opinions:

1. Once a Chinese person said something in this sense: "We're not so rich in natural resources as Russia, so we just have to work hard!"

2. There is a popular Chinese "如果你们不是富二代，官二代，最好拿起你的课本.", which means "If you're not second generation (sons, daughters) of rich people or second generation (sons, daughters) of government (powerful) people, the best for you is to study well." (I'm pretty sure it's the same in the other states around the world; it's not just a Chinese situation).
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 Therefor -- as non-rich, non-powerful people, we should work-and-study hard. Otherwise, this forum can't get the desirable success.

[И.]

Sometimes -- busy. Sometimes, not busy, but just wanna have a lazy day.