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Re: The reason why you should learn Buddhism philsophy
« Reply #60 on: January 24, 2024, 05:12:39 PM »
I also was wondering why you post it in the Incels'. The forum is omnilogy oriented and got many boards so you may use others. For incels this sounds very "quit to ascend and embrace volcel lifestyle". It's okay to have volcels too and noncels like me but if we want to help the incels Buddhism isn't at all the solution, except for some really rare cases.

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Re: The reason why you should learn Buddhism philsophy
« Reply #61 on: January 24, 2024, 09:53:54 PM »
Anuttara-Samyrak-Sambodhi, hi there!

I don't know, mate. See (that memory puzzle question in mind), if your memory was extraordinary how you can: First forget our pills list, you had to browse again for the "White pill" meaning? Second forget that MSL is the philosopher incelologist (there are so many interesting theories especially in this forum written by him) moreover you are net-pals on QQ? Third you were asked many questions here but seems you are forgetting and leaving the brocels without answers. The last but not least, you said most of us are Christians here (when before you were told and saw by yourself that in fact most of the active members in the forum are non-native English speakers, Chinese, Europeans and atheists or ignostics)

Not good to brag about extraordinary X if the X in question isn't even "above the average". If your memory was extraordinary you will point out things like how many femcels are there in the forum, how many gaycels are there, who is an incel, who is a noncel. (You don't have to know it; we're not examinators but it would be if your memory was really extraordinary.) I believe that in some tests you may pass for "extraordinary" memory wise speaking but it's not one and the same to remember numbers like 321873, 23128797 and 592934 from one side and people from another side. It's like your IQ tests. You may score extraordinary when it comes to "Compare this set of symbols with set X and say is it bigger than it, and if set X + set B are bigger than this set + set B?" I am sure you will answer it well and soon, nonetheless you are failing in simple life-related problems like "If it's obvious that living in a present dictatorship area like China, NK, Russian Federation and so on is dangerous for yourself, are you going back there?" Your answer is "Yes, I miss SH, going there, investing money in business there" (and this, at the same time, when a notorious number of richer Chinese do move their capitals in Singapore, Canada, US, Japan, Australia, New Zealand, South East Asia (aside SG), GB, France, Greece, African states.) You know this information, you're educated, you're not a privileged party member, you know it's unstable not safe and unpredictable to live even for a month in the Xi's China but despite of all, you're making the worse life choice endangering your freedom, safety, human rights and opportunities.  :-[ High IQ? I'll leave the answer to yourself (of course if you don't forget to answer it "extraordinarily")  ::)
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Re: The reason why you should learn Buddhism philsophy
« Reply #62 on: January 24, 2024, 09:55:44 PM »
Alexa, better don't post this again. Later someone else with an extraordinary memory will think you're also a student or a baby cause they can't see the irony. (Needless to speak that it has no some informative value. Sic.)
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Re: The reason why you should learn Buddhism philsophy
« Reply #63 on: January 25, 2024, 01:07:55 AM »
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Well first of all, my memory is very well and extraordinary because I just got it tested around one month ago

I hope so. Well, extraordinary may be when it comes to STM (in Chinese: 短期记忆 (English:Short-term memory)), but you saw what happened when it's about the LTM (in Chinese: 长期记忆 (English: Long-term memory)). It's nearly unbelievable --being here one of the eldest, writing so many incelology-related articles, publishing an e-book about inceldom + clearly chatting with you on QQ (even sharing photographs) and in one beautiful moment you're thinking of me as an ordinary incel-student who has no idea what the Buddhism is... Not a good reference for a normal LTM (about the "extraordinary" even not necessary to speak.)

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Secondly, sorry for my misprojection of your amount of learning of Buddhism, because(what I can throw is better than this but...) I couldn't even imagine any person who was a former Buddhist claiming that Buddhism was suppressive and pessimistic...


I do value your politeness. Glad to see a "sorry", really. But/and about the Buddhism it's exactly the other way around: BECAUSE OF being a Buddhist, I can tell/know/feel/experience its bad sides. Isn't it the same when it comes to China? Exactly, because of being a very big China fan for long, I can now objectively criticize the neo-emperorisation (neo-emperarization) because I knew the real CCP China (when there were no dictators after Mao Zedong) and the recent China, i. e. Xi-na (Xina; Xi's China)...

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Were you practicing Paramitas?

If you're talking about the 波罗密 (पारमिता), of course I did and I still do (most of it) but based totally on the scientific base. For example, 忍 (kṣānti) is something that you can practice (and/or know, use, etc.) based entirely on the present science knowledge; you don't need to start it only when you read/hear about it from some Buddhist.




 
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This is even more important than reading literatures

 It may be important for the Buddhists but what is important for the knowledge/understanding of the Buddhism (i. e. to have a Meta-Buddhist view; a real objective knowledge about the Buddhism) is the literature, the theory. This is valid for everything -- from the birds to the neo-emperor, first and foremost you need the theory, the knowledge.

 
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Were you having a Guru? a Buddhist must have a Guru for learning Buddhism well otherwise he or she may mislead himself or herself like yeah thinking Buddhism is inactive, pessimistic, anti-humanity etc....


 My "guru" were the specialists of Buddhism like professor Иван Камбуров (Ivan Kamburov): http://phls.uni-sofia.bg/article/3032. There were more too, but let me show you (via Google Translate) his background and you think is he a guru or not:

"伊万·坎布罗夫教授博士
学术传记
现任大学职务:讲师

BA/MA,年份,学科:MA,哲学系,SU“St. Cl. Ohrid”; 1979-1984年,圣彼得堡国立大学哲学系,哲学专业(哲学史专业)

博士学位,年份,主题:1992 哲学博士,(05.00.01)哲学史(东方哲学); “多克索拉菲纪念碑中桑卡拉的阿德瓦塔-吠檀多哲学”

资格(学科):2011年哲学教授(古典佛教)(2.3); 2002年 哲学史副教授(东方哲学)

编辑委员会成员
1994年至2004年,以及2012年《哲学》杂志编辑。 周一
摘自 1999 年《Svetilnik》杂志,编辑。 印度之友俱乐部

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古典佛教哲学,第一部分“道”,S.,2011 年,597 页。

智慧范式中的古印度哲学(伟大的游戏),S.2002,591 页。

宗教知识。 破坏性邪教中的精神暴力。 预防。 给老师的书。,S.,编辑。 《Interclass》,2001 年,466 页。 (合着)

世界宗教简明词典,“佛教”部分(86 位作者百科全书式文章和概念 S.1995,第 15 - 87 页。

救世论灵知作为不二论吠檀多哲学中的价值论范式(桑卡拉和 M.埃克哈特),第 14 页。 哲学与价值论,VTU.,1993 年,第 65-104 页。

Advaita-Vedanta:灵魂的观念。,哲学杂志,1993 年,第 2 期,第 52-57 页

作为命理学的中国传统哲学,《哲学》杂志,1993年,第4期,第38-54页。

印度传统中“哲学”的概念,《哲学》杂志,1994年,第1期,第50-56页。

《男性-女性:东方的本体论流淌》,哲学杂志,1994 年,第 6 期,第 15-24 页。

元意识作为大乘佛教的本体论原则,《哲学》杂志,1995 年,第 6 期,第 1-14 页。

作为形而上学的哲学史,《哲学》杂志,1996 年,第 4 期,第 3-12 页。

《大乘佛教中的法的概念与“我”的“存在”问题》,《哲学》杂志,1996年,第5/6期,第86-99页。

大乘佛教中的意识概念和“我”。 保加利亚科学中的印度,S. 1997,第 110 – 118 页。

佛陀 - 游戏的本体论。,《哲学》杂志,第 5/6 期,2000 年。 第 79 - 83 页。

尼采的东方,第 1 册。 尼采与东方(国际会议),编辑。 Dilock 2002 年,第 38 - 47 页。

关于早期基督教古迹中古印度(佛教)“根源”的假定影响:正典(新约)和非正典次经,《哲学》杂志,2001 年,第 5/6 页,第 84-98 页

古印度的知识技术(学院:教师-学生),《哲学》杂志,2002 年,第 5-6 期,第 79-88 页。

印度哲学中的人,Sp。 Svetilnik,第 4 期,第 137-145 页,S.,2002 年。

神话及其游戏神秘化。,《哲学》杂志,2003 年。第 1 期,第 43-49 页。

作为现代意识形态的宗教间对话,《哲学》杂志,2003 年,第 3 期,第 3-6 页。

游戏的“智慧”,《哲学》杂志,2003年,第5期,第15-26页

形而上学的游戏。,周六。 康德与形而上学,YuZU,Bl.,2003,第91-115页,

东西方:宗教之间的对话 - 或关于所谓的影响。,科尔。 哲学与正统,Bl.,2004 年,第 11-25 页。

哲学史:世俗的哲学思考或形而上学。,in sb。 康德与传统的对话。,YuZU,Blag。 2004 年,第 254 - 272 页

海德格尔(1889-1976)与东方哲学,《哲学》杂志,2004年第5期,第5-10页;

东西方:新先知时代(第 1 部分),《哲学》杂志,2007 年,第 2 期,第 10-18 页

东西方:新先知时代(第二部分),哲学杂志,2007 年,第 4 期,第 7 - 14 页

卡尔·古斯塔夫·荣格和东方,科尔。 精神分析。 想法和追随者,BL。 “N. Rilski”YZU,2007 年,第 211 - 241 页

走向东西方对话:马丁·海德格尔(1889年-1976年)与佛教,20年珍藏

索非亚大学“圣彼得堡”印度学 克莱。 奥赫里德斯基”,2009,大学。 埃德。 “英石。 Kl. Ohridski”,第 366-379 页

古典佛教哲学:超验主义和心理技术,卷。 哲学与神秘主义,BL.,2008(大学出版社“N. Rilski”),第 115-137 页

东西方:跨文化时代的宗教传统。 跨文化对话和教育网络:土耳其-保加利亚,S. 2009。

(编者:格式视觉。ISBN 978-954-92309-2-5),第 66-81 页

“沉思的沉默”——一种“谈论”现有事物的超验形式。 形而上学的先验语言,BL.,2009(大学出版社,第115-137页)

黑格尔的东方。哲学另类杂志,2012年第5期,第60-66页

古典佛教中“法”的范畴。 从印度到印度:看法和观点,大学。 埃德。 奥赫里德大教堂,2015 年,第 96-105 页

早期佛教沉思的超验主义,哲学另类杂志,2015 年第 6 期,第 59-74 页

“回到形而上学”寻找超越的“路径”,coll。 回到形而上学(国际会议),UI“N.Rilski”,Bl.,2016,第 23-44 页"


怎么样? Enough "guru" level or still not?

And I want to tell you about one Chinese "guru" who used a way to sleep with women there -- "teaching" them that to prove they are real female Buddhists they should't care about having or not sex with who and... to "become" true Buddhists they had to sleep with him! One of them told me that in one moment she realized that she is not a Buddhist but a cheap whore for doing this. And I'd like to add -- a "very stupid one". Yes, I am talking about Zhou Ning. This is what many of your "gurus" are. So, better trust the specialists and scientists than the "gurus".

 
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my teacher told me we'd better not learn Philosophy otherwise it might be endangering us...

 That teacher is 100% right about some of the philosophies. A pro-philosopher should know all of the philosophy branches, kinds. For example, even I dislike the religious philosophies, as a pro I had and I did/still do learn them more or less. But if you're just a student and you start with some over-pessimistic philosophy like that one of Schopenhauer /阿图尔·叔本华 (Arthur Schopenhauer)/, well then, you may end up in a very bad condition. But if you learn something written by more optimistic philosophers like Socrates, Engels and so on, then it's not dangerous.


 
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You yourself said that you had yet to read tons of literatures because of your life, which definitely misleads you to thinking of Buddhism this way...

 It's because I know that knowledge is like a white circle on a big blackboard. The bigger is the circle, the more it touches the unknown. That's why learning is a nonstop process. For example, if you never heard of Cambodia you're not going to know about Pnom Penh but if you know even its capital (Pnom Penh), then you may start to know that there are big rivers, many Buddhist temples, etc. The more you learn, the more unknown (questions) you may have, so this is why we should read and learn "endlessly".

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It seems to me you don't even know what are 'sunyata', 'anitya', 'dukkha', 'anatman' etc., which are basic concepts and ideologies of Buddhism.

Seems to you because you're: 1. judging people without prior knowledge who are they + 2. you want to show how greater you are compared with the commoners (but for a bad surprise, here you don't deal with teenage incels in the US or low-educated rich 富家子弟 and 富二代 in Shanghai. You're dealing with people with 20+ more years experience, hard work and knowledge than yourself.)

 Just an example, to state the ridiculousness of what you think that Geser Kurultaev doesn't know about anatman ("非我").

In 1990 (when you even didn't exist in your parents' thoughts) I spent all my money, for a month food, to buy the last "Soviet Encyclopedic Dictionary" in Russian, Soviet Edition! It's its Chinese name: "苏联百科词典
". Here you may see how it looks like: and I started to read and learn everything about Asia, China, Daoism, Buddhism, Confucianism, etc. One of the first things that I learned in the period 1990-1993 (you still was not born that time) was about the anatman (soon after I learned about people in Buddhism like Ananda), which in Russian (I used this foreign language to educate myself + English) is "Ананда" https://www.rulit.me/books/enciklopedicheskij-slovar-read-140017-93.html
(I even know the etymology of the word -- "an-" + "atman" and was thinking how similar is the negative particle with the Greek one! For example the word "anarchy" in Greek is from an- "without" + arkhos "ruler".)
 If you're intelligent enough, you should get it: In the period 1990-1993 I even learned the etymology of the words like "Ananda" and "anatman". But you think that it's some very "secret" or "high" knowledge that is "unoptainable" ?! ;D



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Well whether one thing is excellent or not depends on individual right?


 This is an agnostic and relativistic view. From the viewpoint of the relativism, of course it is but if you're not a relativist and you know that some things are more easy to be "measured", to be observed objectively, then you can't say that the theories excellence is just a subjective and relativistic choice. One of the ways to see if something is good or not is the practice (a good point of the Leninism).


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...just because you think Buddhism is bad, without having ever been practicing and learning it systematically enough?

The difference between the humans and most of the rest of the animals is exactly this: we don't need to practice something in order to know it. For instance, you can see photos of Mars in NASA's website and to get the idea what's on Mars, without being there. I see what is happening with many Buddhists: they're just becoming quitters because of the idea of "It's all Karma" and/or "In the next life, I will be better."
 Also, the Buddhist diet isn't the best for many of us. And at the end, especially in your case: the combination is nearly dangerous for your ascending: 1. you're not tall, you have no big frame and this with malnutrition of a Buddhist vegetarian diet will make you less masculine in the eyes of the women, 2. you're not strong enough mentally and all those fake hopes for next life, karmism and so on, may make you even weaker, 3. you're rich but easy to believe which will make some fake gurus just to lie you to pay them a lot of money "for your happiness"...


 Why I am looking at least 20 years younger? 1. I do sports, 2. I am not a vegetarian and at the same time I avoid a lot of meat, 3. I don't smoke and don't drink hard alcohol, 4. I read useful literature to keep my brain younger, active and I do keep my "spirit" young with some youth content like manhwa (Korean manga). This is the "secret".
 
 OK, I think I prove enough and with the all due respect who and what I am, I do accept your apologies. As I said, I am in SEA and I see great opportunities to cooperate with you in some fields (all legal, never believe the neo-Chinese propaganda that all the SEAs are criminal places and it's everywhere dangerous!), so peace, please!
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Re: The reason why you should learn Buddhism philsophy
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« Reply #65 on: January 25, 2024, 08:06:52 AM »
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Well first of all, my memory is very well and extraordinary because I just got it tested around one month ago

I hope so. Well, extraordinary may be when it comes to STM (in Chinese: 短期记忆 (English:Short-term memory)), but you saw what happened when it's about the LTM (in Chinese: 长期记忆 (English: Long-term memory)). It's nearly unbelievable --being here one of the eldest, writing so many incelology-related articles, publishing an e-book about inceldom + clearly chatting with you on QQ (even sharing photographs) and in one beautiful moment you're thinking of me as an ordinary incel-student who has no idea what the Buddhism is... Not a good reference for a normal LTM (about the "extraordinary" even not necessary to speak.)

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Secondly, sorry for my misprojection of your amount of learning of Buddhism, because(what I can throw is better than this but...) I couldn't even imagine any person who was a former Buddhist claiming that Buddhism was suppressive and pessimistic...


I do value your politeness. Glad to see a "sorry", really. But/and about the Buddhism it's exactly the other way around: BECAUSE OF being a Buddhist, I can tell/know/feel/experience its bad sides. Isn't it the same when it comes to China? Exactly, because of being a very big China fan for long, I can now objectively criticize the neo-emperorisation (neo-emperarization) because I knew the real CCP China (when there were no dictators after Mao Zedong) and the recent China, i. e. Xi-na (Xina; Xi's China)...

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Were you practicing Paramitas?

If you're talking about the 波罗密 (पारमिता), of course I did and I still do (most of it) but based totally on the scientific base. For example, 忍 (kṣānti) is something that you can practice (and/or know, use, etc.) based entirely on the present science knowledge; you don't need to start it only when you read/hear about it from some Buddhist.




 
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This is even more important than reading literatures

 It may be important for the Buddhists but what is important for the knowledge/understanding of the Buddhism (i. e. to have a Meta-Buddhist view; a real objective knowledge about the Buddhism) is the literature, the theory. This is valid for everything -- from the birds to the neo-emperor, first and foremost you need the theory, the knowledge.

 
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Were you having a Guru? a Buddhist must have a Guru for learning Buddhism well otherwise he or she may mislead himself or herself like yeah thinking Buddhism is inactive, pessimistic, anti-humanity etc....


 My "guru" were the specialists of Buddhism like professor Иван Камбуров (Ivan Kamburov): http://phls.uni-sofia.bg/article/3032. There were more too, but let me show you (via Google Translate) his background and you think is he a guru or not:

"伊万·坎布罗夫教授博士
学术传记
现任大学职务:讲师

BA/MA,年份,学科:MA,哲学系,SU“St. Cl. Ohrid”; 1979-1984年,圣彼得堡国立大学哲学系,哲学专业(哲学史专业)

博士学位,年份,主题:1992 哲学博士,(05.00.01)哲学史(东方哲学); “多克索拉菲纪念碑中桑卡拉的阿德瓦塔-吠檀多哲学”

资格(学科):2011年哲学教授(古典佛教)(2.3); 2002年 哲学史副教授(东方哲学)

编辑委员会成员
1994年至2004年,以及2012年《哲学》杂志编辑。 周一
摘自 1999 年《Svetilnik》杂志,编辑。 印度之友俱乐部

精选出版物
古典佛教哲学,第一部分“道”,S.,2011 年,597 页。

智慧范式中的古印度哲学(伟大的游戏),S.2002,591 页。

宗教知识。 破坏性邪教中的精神暴力。 预防。 给老师的书。,S.,编辑。 《Interclass》,2001 年,466 页。 (合着)

世界宗教简明词典,“佛教”部分(86 位作者百科全书式文章和概念 S.1995,第 15 - 87 页。

救世论灵知作为不二论吠檀多哲学中的价值论范式(桑卡拉和 M.埃克哈特),第 14 页。 哲学与价值论,VTU.,1993 年,第 65-104 页。

Advaita-Vedanta:灵魂的观念。,哲学杂志,1993 年,第 2 期,第 52-57 页

作为命理学的中国传统哲学,《哲学》杂志,1993年,第4期,第38-54页。

印度传统中“哲学”的概念,《哲学》杂志,1994年,第1期,第50-56页。

《男性-女性:东方的本体论流淌》,哲学杂志,1994 年,第 6 期,第 15-24 页。

元意识作为大乘佛教的本体论原则,《哲学》杂志,1995 年,第 6 期,第 1-14 页。

作为形而上学的哲学史,《哲学》杂志,1996 年,第 4 期,第 3-12 页。

《大乘佛教中的法的概念与“我”的“存在”问题》,《哲学》杂志,1996年,第5/6期,第86-99页。

大乘佛教中的意识概念和“我”。 保加利亚科学中的印度,S. 1997,第 110 – 118 页。

佛陀 - 游戏的本体论。,《哲学》杂志,第 5/6 期,2000 年。 第 79 - 83 页。

尼采的东方,第 1 册。 尼采与东方(国际会议),编辑。 Dilock 2002 年,第 38 - 47 页。

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怎么样? Enough "guru" level or still not?

And I want to tell you about one Chinese "guru" who used a way to sleep with women there -- "teaching" them that to prove they are real female Buddhists they should't care about having or not sex with who and... to "become" true Buddhists they had to sleep with him! One of them told me that in one moment she realized that she is not a Buddhist but a cheap whore for doing this. And I'd like to add -- a "very stupid one". Yes, I am talking about Zhou Ning. This is what many of your "gurus" are. So, better trust the specialists and scientists than the "gurus".

 
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my teacher told me we'd better not learn Philosophy otherwise it might be endangering us...

 That teacher is 100% right about some of the philosophies. A pro-philosopher should know all of the philosophy branches, kinds. For example, even I dislike the religious philosophies, as a pro I had and I did/still do learn them more or less. But if you're just a student and you start with some over-pessimistic philosophy like that one of Schopenhauer /阿图尔·叔本华 (Arthur Schopenhauer)/, well then, you may end up in a very bad condition. But if you learn something written by more optimistic philosophers like Socrates, Engels and so on, then it's not dangerous.


 
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You yourself said that you had yet to read tons of literatures because of your life, which definitely misleads you to thinking of Buddhism this way...

 It's because I know that knowledge is like a white circle on a big blackboard. The bigger is the circle, the more it touches the unknown. That's why learning is a nonstop process. For example, if you never heard of Cambodia you're not going to know about Pnom Penh but if you know even its capital (Pnom Penh), then you may start to know that there are big rivers, many Buddhist temples, etc. The more you learn, the more unknown (questions) you may have, so this is why we should read and learn "endlessly".

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It seems to me you don't even know what are 'sunyata', 'anitya', 'dukkha', 'anatman' etc., which are basic concepts and ideologies of Buddhism.

Seems to you because you're: 1. judging people without prior knowledge who are they + 2. you want to show how greater you are compared with the commoners (but for a bad surprise, here you don't deal with teenage incels in the US or low-educated rich 富家子弟 and 富二代 in Shanghai. You're dealing with people with 20+ more years experience, hard work and knowledge than yourself.)

 Just an example, to state the ridiculousness of what you think that Geser Kurultaev doesn't know about anatman ("非我").

In 1990 (when you even didn't exist in your parents' thoughts) I spent all my money, for a month food, to buy the last "Soviet Encyclopedic Dictionary" in Russian, Soviet Edition! It's its Chinese name: "苏联百科词典
". Here you may see how it looks like: and I started to read and learn everything about Asia, China, Daoism, Buddhism, Confucianism, etc. One of the first things that I learned in the period 1990-1993 (you still was not born that time) was about the anatman (soon after I learned about people in Buddhism like Ananda), which in Russian (I used this foreign language to educate myself + English) is "Ананда" https://www.rulit.me/books/enciklopedicheskij-slovar-read-140017-93.html
(I even know the etymology of the word -- "an-" + "atman" and was thinking how similar is the negative particle with the Greek one! For example the word "anarchy" in Greek is from an- "without" + arkhos "ruler".)
 If you're intelligent enough, you should get it: In the period 1990-1993 I even learned the etymology of the words like "Ananda" and "anatman". But you think that it's some very "secret" or "high" knowledge that is "unoptainable" ?! ;D



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Well whether one thing is excellent or not depends on individual right?


 This is an agnostic and relativistic view. From the viewpoint of the relativism, of course it is but if you're not a relativist and you know that some things are more easy to be "measured", to be observed objectively, then you can't say that the theories excellence is just a subjective and relativistic choice. One of the ways to see if something is good or not is the practice (a good point of the Leninism).


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...just because you think Buddhism is bad, without having ever been practicing and learning it systematically enough?

The difference between the humans and most of the rest of the animals is exactly this: we don't need to practice something in order to know it. For instance, you can see photos of Mars in NASA's website and to get the idea what's on Mars, without being there. I see what is happening with many Buddhists: they're just becoming quitters because of the idea of "It's all Karma" and/or "In the next life, I will be better."
 Also, the Buddhist diet isn't the best for many of us. And at the end, especially in your case: the combination is nearly dangerous for your ascending: 1. you're not tall, you have no big frame and this with malnutrition of a Buddhist vegetarian diet will make you less masculine in the eyes of the women, 2. you're not strong enough mentally and all those fake hopes for next life, karmism and so on, may make you even weaker, 3. you're rich but easy to believe which will make some fake gurus just to lie you to pay them a lot of money "for your happiness"...


 Why I am looking at least 20 years younger? 1. I do sports, 2. I am not a vegetarian and at the same time I avoid a lot of meat, 3. I don't smoke and don't drink hard alcohol, 4. I read useful literature to keep my brain younger, active and I do keep my "spirit" young with some youth content like manhwa (Korean manga). This is the "secret".
 
 OK, I think I prove enough and with the all due respect who and what I am, I do accept your apologies. As I said, I am in SEA and I see great opportunities to cooperate with you in some fields (all legal, never believe the neo-Chinese propaganda that all the SEAs are criminal places and it's everywhere dangerous!), so peace, please!
Oh, I see the problems here:
1. You and Non-SEO misprojected that I browsed the 'pill list' while I didnt even know there was one on this forum before he told me because I never browsed that.
2. You guys misprojected me because of how famous you were that I had known about you but I just forgot your bio while actually I never browsed it either(I remember one girl in your previous post about your situation in SEA shared me the link to ur bio in Russian but tbh I didnt even check that)
3. You are misprojecting that, I want to show you I am better than commoner ppl... what?! You serioisly think so?!

And yeah, I am really surprised that you were practicing and being with a professor, but you still think Buddhism is so bad.

If you really knew about emptiness etc., you shoulda not thought Buddhism was 'pessimistic', 'suppressive', etc., unless you don't want to admit the ideologies are  correct. This usually happens, particularly in the modern society where nearly everyone is 'attached' to everything, thus you can see lots of people doing crazy things, for ex, Xi is trying all means to keep his own supremacy... the Brazilian has done close to one hundred plastic surgeries, and... my relatives fought with my father over the take-over of my grandma's ownship of her areas...

But I shoulda been opener, so that I can allow others to choose other 'Dharmas' to happiness... I am sorry for my previous 'attachment' to Buddha-Dharma.

As though Buddhism itself claims everyone is apt for it, thus it calls itself 'The one and the only Dharma to happiness'(不二法门), I do not really think so.

Many people are inept for Buddhism because of their lack of 'Buddha-Indriya'(佛根)... Well I am just a new learner so I don't even know how to cultivate it and persuade one person into Buddhism(Buddhism calls it 'restoring', but Buddhism also claims not everyone has the 'Indriya' to be able to be 'restored').

What I am feeling about you now is that for some reason you don't admit everything is 'empty', thus u think Buddhism is pessimistic and inactive; You don't admit everything is 'impermanent', thus you were surprised by my choice of learning Buddhism, seemingly just being coping with having given up ascending to you; You don't admit 'dukkha' is not real happiness so you think Buddhism is suppressive...

Thats totally normal. I actually stumbled upon another Buddhist who had learned Buddhism for 10 years and said Buddhism was suppressive and pessimistic... The only thing that distinguishes you from him are that he didn't even have no Guru lol.

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Re: The reason why you should learn Buddhism philsophy
« Reply #66 on: January 25, 2024, 08:24:47 AM »
As for my viewpoint that whether one thing is good or not being agnostic and relativistic.... well my practicing is telling me Buddhism is good at its finest, and your practicing told u that Buddhism was bad. So you see why I said it depended on individual? Einstein thought Hegel's philosophy was just a hodgepodge of a drunk maniac's bullshits. I think Hegel's philosophy is excellent. See it depends on individual, but yeah the quality of 'practicing' is arguable(but how to measure it? Its arguable.) One's own personality also plays a role.(Its just 'kinda much' measurable.). This is just 'subjectivity'. If you don't admit subjectivity is valid, then why did u argue that aesthetics was subjective in my previous post?(The proof that my LTM is also well. I can also remember you also argued that Philosophy taught aesthetics, but the one taught by Philosophy was not what I referred to. The one I referred to was actually 'Plastic Aesthetics'.) Likewise, whether philosophy is good or not also depends on individual.

In the perspective of Marxism, yes to evaluate philosophy as good or not, there is one way:practice, but Marx would not claim 'Oh red hair is what I love when I see a red hair girl. So favorring red hair is correct and favorring black hair blue haie blondie is false!' And the same applies for Buddhism.

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Re: The reason why you should learn Buddhism philsophy
« Reply #67 on: January 25, 2024, 02:16:07 PM »
Getting tired of the religious propaganda... MSL to answer and to lock this topic. The incels becoming Buddhist will only make them volcels and less healthy, less strong... Exactly the opposite what most of the females want: healthy, strong, ready to struggle for success man who is not talking all the time about his religious imaginary "entities" and ideologies... 🥵

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Re: The reason why you should learn Buddhism philsophy
« Reply #68 on: January 25, 2024, 02:34:29 PM »
Real zealot. It is a person who is fanatical and uncompromising in pursuit of her or his religious, political, or other ideas and believes.

Also a young man who yesterday discoved the Buddhist thoughts and thinks it is the best. The day after tomorrow may discover the Islam with its promised paradise with many virgins and then he will cope with it trying to make us Muslims the same as now he's trying to make us Buddhists.

A lucky rich born guy from the megapolis who is not struggling like most of us for money and who has plenty of time to preach the elders how to "liberate" themselves. And to mislead the incels to stop develop their objective values (health maximizing, science knowledge maximizing, bodybuilding and good looks maximizing, money earning maximizing, self protection maximizing.) and just to get drown in the fantasy world of the religiously made constructs.

I am ignoring all this. It was my 50 cents of mind or remind.
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Re: The reason why you should learn Buddhism philsophy
« Reply #69 on: January 25, 2024, 11:14:18 PM »
 Really sorry to disagree again but as far as I know I have no my bio written in Russian. So, some girl shares my bio in Russian sounds dubious. ;D Are you sure you remember well? (Memory problem/question again, but can't avoid it).

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You are misprojecting that, I want to show you I am better than commoner ppl... what?! You serioisly think so?!

 Honestly, to me, looks/sounds something like that. Because in the reality you achieved more than the guys around your age (your generation) and you started to think that even in a place where we discuss omnilogy problems (including science, philosophy, etc.) all of us are under your knowledge. You, that was so surprising, even explained to us that Buddha was born B. C. How you will feel if I explain to you something like that: "可能你不知道,但是我告诉你:北京是中国的首都。你肯定会感到惊讶的。" Telling me that Buddha was born centuries before Jesus equals I am telling you (as a Chinese) that "Beijing is the capital of China."

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And yeah, I am really surprised that you were practicing and being with a professor, but you still think Buddhism is so bad.

I was being too young and believed without the necessary proves, just because I was thinking that East Asians are the smartest people in the world and if there are so many Buddhists in East Asia, then it can't be wrong... And I was so wrong... The practicing and not only one professor (there were at least 3, who taught us about the Buddhism from different perspectives -- as a religion, as a philosophy, as history of the philosophy and so on) were real. "So bad" isn't what I said. I am saying that:

  • If you want to ascend and becoming a noncel, becoming a true Buddhist is counter-productive and will lead you to a volcel status, which is bad for sure, for those incels who want to be noncels, not to become volcels. It's like wanting to be rich. If you want to make money, you need ways that will help you to get rich, not ways that will teach you how to be voluntarily poor.
  • Exactly because I accumulated a lot of practice, knowledge and meta-Buddhist view, I could make the conclusion that the Buddhism may have some better sides compared to many other religions but it's not worthy compared with the nowadays science. What I believe now is only proven, true, real facts and I, as a critical and reasonable elder man, can't blindly believe dubious and totally unproven religious idealistic constructs like Karma, Samsara and other fabrications (捏造的 stuff, if I can use a Chinese term.)
I have got enough self-respect to avoid being gullible. Why are you (a man, who is targeting even IQ research, further mathematics /进阶数学/ and Harvard University!!!) so gullible?! You're demonstrating high level of gullibility ("Classes of people especially vulnerable to exploitation due to gullibility include children, the elderly, and the developmentally disabled." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gullibility). You're not a kid anymore, you're not an old man and even you had/have some psychological issues, you're not a retard. So, how it comes an IQ researcher, a further math fan and a Harvard oriented adult to have got "the tendency to believe unlikely propositions that are unsupported by evidence." (from the same source mentioned above).

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If you really knew about emptiness etc., you shoulda not thought Buddhism was 'pessimistic', 'suppressive', etc.,

 For the first time we learned about the so-called "Emptiness" in 1994! I remembered it's original name (Shunyata, i. e. "Śūnyatā") and the etymology which is "nothing", "zero"! And these months it even was useful for my Khmer learning, where the "0" ("zero") is ០ (and is pronunciation is very close to the Indian one):
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Value   Khmer   Word Form   IPA   UNGEGN   GD   ALA-LC   Notes
0   ០   សូន្យ   [soːn]   sony   souny   sūny   From Sanskrit śūnya
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khmer_numerals
 
 So, again, stop thinking that I (one of the first Bulgarian Buddhists and one who learned Buddhism from the best philosophers in South-East Europe) don't know about the "Emptiness".
 So? The different Buddhist branches have different understanding of it. How it makes you optimistic and free? You must give up the natural (omnivore) diet, you have to suppress your sexuality, you have to forget about many things in the social sphere. How it's not suppressing? Can't you see the life of the real Buddhists? SO MANY SELF-LIMITATIONS (even more than in the Abrahamic religions!) and still, because you "just believe", it's "the best". With the same "success" you can tell me how true are the houris (In Islam, a houri (English plural houris, /ˈhʊəriz/; from Arabic: حُـورِيَّـة ,حُورِيّ, romanized: ḥūriyy, ḥūrīya), is a woman with beautiful eyes who is described as a reward for the faithful Muslim men in paradise.)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houri

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This usually happens, particularly in the modern society where nearly everyone is 'attached' to everything, thus you can see lots of people doing crazy things

 Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, wait, wait, wait! One of the crazy things is just this (the core of many problems) that you are taking something as a face value without any proof! You believe gullibly in Buddhist fabrications, others -- in Islamic or Christian... some even believe in the greatness of Xi Jinping! And the common here is that all of you DON'T QUESTION your believes at all!
 And the people are "attached" because they have no choice usually. For example, you as a potential capitalist, don't need to worry about money, but most of the people have to! And this "attached" status is the only way for them (if they don't want to become beggars like many of your favorite monks). It's very easy to be "unattached" when you have it all, right?

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for ex, Xi is trying all means to keep his own supremacy... the Brazilian has done close to one hundred plastic surgeries, and... my relatives fought with my father over the take-over of my grandma's ownship of her areas...

 You're giving examples with more or less abnormal people. This type of "attachment" is too much. But you can't negate the normal attachment like: willing to have a healthier body, willing to have a better house, willing to have a safer life, willing to move to a better place... Without all these "attachments" you're just "living and waiting to die" (and, ah yes, believing that you're becoming something special like an arhat until death comes).

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But I shoulda been opener, so that I can allow others to choose other 'Dharmas' to happiness... I am sorry for my previous 'attachment' to Buddha-Dharma.

It's/was nearly close to the proselytism (劝诱改宗). You're really too deep in all these fabricated (proof-less) categories, constructs and all this idealism is seriously misleading the incels to ascend and the poor people to do their best to get a better life (poorcels, included).



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Many people are inept for Buddhism because of their lack of 'Buddha-Indriya'(佛根)...


Many people are just not willing to waste time and money for this. If you're busy and poor (a working poor like many Chinese and others nowadays) if you start to invest money and time for fabrications you'll end up as an even bigger loser than what you're (as a working poor or as a precariat). I know you're far, far away from such future because you're one of the 1%-5% in the world but... most of us (even people with bachelor and master degrees like many here) aren't so okay financially, so we have no wish to drop into scams like religions and to donate our last money to some "guru", "preacher", etc. We're realistic enough and old enough to follow only proven ways, proven truths.

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Well I am just a new learner so I don't even know how to cultivate it and persuade one person into Buddhism(Buddhism calls it 'restoring', but Buddhism also claims not everyone has the 'Indriya' to be able to be 'restored').

Oh, you're developing also a savior complex?!  ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) Check it, in case you don't know it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savior_complex

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What I am feeling about you now is that for some reason you don't admit everything is 'empty', thus u think Buddhism is pessimistic and inactive

 Why I have to admit something that nobody prove? Because someone said so?! Do you really make difference between a said thing and a fact?


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You don't admit everything is 'impermanent', thus you were surprised by my choice of learning Buddhism, seemingly just being coping with having given up ascending to you

 Oh, how much wrong someone can be?! As a dialectical materialist and a person who strictly follows the science, I know that everything is impermanent. There is progress and regress, things change. And I am not surprised of your choice that much. I am surprised of the combination: "I like Psychometrics and Further math, and I want to be in Harvard" + "Now, let me teach you how the fabrications of the religion will improve your life!"  :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o 


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You don't admit 'dukkha' is not real happiness so you think Buddhism is suppressive...

 If you want to admit that dukkha is not real, go now to Harbin, where is -18°C, take off your clothes, sleep only one night outside (to feel what's like to be poor, homeless and cold!) and then tell me again how "unreal" is it.

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The only thing that distinguishes you from him are that he didn't even have no Guru lol.

The lol-ling is that a person who wants to be a scientist (Psychometrics, Further mats, Harvard, etc.) become believing gurus and being a victim of "There are no proves, but I believe." (You're the Second Tertullian  ;D. You know him? In case you don't, take a lookhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tertullian (I hope this time won't be like "Yes, you gave me, but I didn't follow, so I'll write whatever...") He is the one who said "Credo quia absurdum. (I believe because it is absurd.) ") ;D

I think a further discussion is not useful so, yes, lock the topic.
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Re: The reason why you should learn Buddhism philsophy
« Reply #70 on: January 25, 2024, 11:27:53 PM »
 A fast reply about the measurable and unmeasurable things. There are different levels. Yes, you can't objectively "measure" a nose's beauty because some like it big, some like it small, some like it "Greek", etc., BUT at the same time, you can "measure" many other things like if something is proven fact or just a religious fabrication (in which the gullible people believe without problem)!
 Good or bad philosophy -- the criteria may be different, but the one and the most important is the practice. If some philosophy improves your life, chances, etc., it's a good one and the opposite -- if it makes you more poor, more choice-less, more rigid, well, obviously it's not a good one.
 Darwin didn't read Hegel, he even didn't read to the end Marx's book. (Marx read Darwin.) Marx sent Darwin his book ("The Capital") in 1873. That was 14 years after Darwin published “Origin”. It also seems most of the pages were not cut -- so he could not have read most of it.
 The difference between the philosophy and the religions is that many of the philosophic ideas are more or less measurable via practice but the religious claims are just claims and you even can't use logic to understand them, i. e. the ignosticism is something very good (the idea that the question of the existence of God is meaningless because the word "God" has no coherency and an ambiguous definition.) and this is it, most of the religious things are like that...
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Re: The reason why you should learn Buddhism philsophy
« Reply #71 on: January 25, 2024, 11:32:58 PM »
Locked for good.

The best is to think how to cooperate to get more rich, more strong, more healthy, more handsome, more attractive, more secured. The Maslow's hierarchy of needs, you know.
Philipp Guttmann - Own work
Dynamic hierarchy of needs of Abraham Maslow referring to Krech, D./Crutchfield, R. S./Ballachey, E. L. (1962), Individual in society, Tokyo etc. 1962, S. 77
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