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Messages - Zhang Jie

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Misogyny, sexism, aggressive incels ((╭☞•́⍛•̀)╭☞ not all but many. ) and scary posts... Who sane person is gonna like incels.is?
ffffffffffffffffffff be mindful of your own spelling ::) 'Who' sane person? What are you? A still illiterate foetus? Or you were really too 'high' so you made a typo? And yeah I agree the spiteful incels on Incels.is are as awful as you can imagine but they are still even way ffffffffffffffffffff better than ffffffffffffffffffff b......... Desi and male p.......... MSL!

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What retard? Can't you ffffffffffffffffffff see oh our 'very rich' and 'honest' ffffffffffffffffffff w..... Desi actually a 'suspectcel' who suspects everything you ffffffffffffffffffff claim to be fake and for ffffffffffffffffffff instance if you claim 'I have $10000000 in pocket' she will be 'Ah ffffffffffffffffffff $10000000 in ffffffffffffffffffff pocket? You ffffffffffffffffffff liar. Kill yourself or run over your own mother with a car!' How good but evil! Which do you expect me to do, be nice like 'Oh my respects Miss. Desi' to her or insert some anacondas into her ffffffffffffffffffff p........ to poison her to ffffffffffffffffffff death?

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Yeah but speaking as a petulant hatecel who ffffffffffffffffffff hates his father and his father's ffffffffffffffffffff lover himself?
On behalf of your ffffffffffffffffffff frustration like the one of menopause am I supposed to be as euphemistic as I ffffffffffffffffffff can but if you maintain this way I can only claim 'joever' to you :P

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Yeah unfortunately our whining old man already in the ffffffffffffffffffff dementia MSL identifies himself as a ffffffffffffffffffff hopeless old baby who is hopeless because his ffffffffffffffffffff father relinquished his ffffffffffffffffffff apartment to his lover so that being with no stable and big sources of income became of him and well he indeed is one but what is only wrong about him is ffffffffffffffffffff that his low integrity has resulted in his current delirium and menopause-like frustration!

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When you enter ffffffffffffffffffff Desi's house you will see there countless male p.......

Edited. Insanity, hallucinations, violence...

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What is way more ffffffffffffffffffff brutal is that Desi's poor ffffffffffffffffffff grandfather was 'experiment-zoned' and 'blocked' in the Auschwitz ending up being committed with mustard-gasing and what is more degraded is that the Schutzstaffels ffffffffffffffffffff sodommed his ffffffffffffffffffff corpse!

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Yeah after our 'bawdy' 'streetwalker' Alexa has suffered a significant decline of sexual function because of her excessive obscenities including having unstoppedly intercoursed with the gorillas and so on, due to them now has she suffered a cognitive decay!
What kind of babysitting parody is it? A ffffffffffffffffffff old baby desparate with life imitating other ffffffffffffffffffff incels with making various retarded faces? And a funny w....... was amused by such a retarded parody? Jesus Christ this forum has really devolved into a web retarded camp where there are no ffffffffffffffffffff posts that are useful in the slightest bit for us to learn anything from while there are only funny laughing stocks that are even way more boring than the ffffffffffffffffffff examples of the words of the Urban Dictionary...

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Yeah indeed the dream of our ffffffffffffffffffff crying old p....

Deleted hallucinations and homosexual and pedophile projections.

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Yeah I rmr ffffffffffffffffffff obscene w...... Desi played a ffffffffffffffffffff 'joke' on her father when she was only ffffffffffffffffffff 5 y.o that she threw a pun to him 'I want to... ...

Edited. Too many lies, hallucinations, obscenity...


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Because many colleagues of him also think so. The person is a good contributor but overestimated the genetics. The blackpiller of the IQ studies.😃😄
 Try to think why kids with same genetics have different intelligence if one of them is educated in university or army and another one is raised in the jungle.
Of course his claims can be wrong since he is not a biologist but a psychometrician/psychologist. Gene studies are done by biologists and if he was wrong on the point of view of the genetic variance of intelligence then it was not impossible, but his psychometric points of view are really insightful and sound.

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Ah, I see, I see. That's why he was so sure that the IQ is all genetic and the environment, learning, study and practice can't improve it. He just followed this his idol. :) :D
Well it was not related to that I idolized him at all. IQ is mostly genetic I never said it was all genetic, but learning or something else similar really can't improve your intelligence, AT MOST your IQ score. I think I have elucidated the reason.

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But then you have to explain to the rest of us who is that man? Well, I'll do it. :) He was an American psychologist. The one who was like "genetics was solely responsible for intelligence". Geneticism (基因主义), you know... :) ;D
Yeah he is a differential psychologist and psychometrician, but his claims were all psychometrically sound and reasonable. I am not sure why you criticized him as a geneticist. He just told you the truth.
Btw I never said intelligence was 100% genetic. I said it was mostly genetic, which was in line with what arthur jensen said who actually never said intelligence was 100% genetic.
This scholar indeed has contributed a lot to psychometrics and differential psychology. I don't think you should treat him as if he was no one who should be taken seriously.

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you gotta get a therapy to get medications for your awful mental state.


Only if you're psychotic. Don't ruin your health with medicines (many of them full of side effects) just because you have some hypodepression (低抑郁, 抑郁症, 轻性抑郁症). There are many other therapeutic ways, including sports therapy, work therapy (工作疗法) and so on, which may prevent you ruining your young body with medicines.

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It contains multiple sessions and there are feedbacks per session for a therapist to analyze to recover your mental state.


 The psychotherapies are a way better way (when the psychotherapist isn't some medicine oriented who is just planning how to sell you medicines) but you have to be lucky to find a really good one. Otherwise your situation may get worse or, in a better case, to lose any hope about the psychotherapy.


 
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Don't you find it ridiculous to do something just because of a man/woman's word?


 Depends on who is that man/woman. If it's just another Chad or just another Becky, okay, you may ignore them but what if this is your idol, your one-it-is, your best teacher (tutor) who you do respect a lot? Or what if, in the reality this is the case, this is the majority of the females you like? Look, you may live for yourself if you're not living in a society or you're able to be self-sufficient, let's say -- a volcel. Cool. But if you can't and you don't want to? Then, well, you have to adapt yourself more or less to the desires, expectations of the majority of those who you like. They prefer richer, fitter (body wise), educated (for example)... then you should, at least, give it a try! Especially if the thing (for example, the money, the muscles, the knowledge) is good for you! Do you understand? If they like something that is good for you too (for example to be richer and to be stronger), then you 100% have the sense to do your best. But if they're some crazy or degraded people who want you to be something bad (like a gangster), you don't need blindly to obey (to follow) their tastes!


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As for how to live yourself, well IMO if you are doing what you like to do, you can say you are living for yourself. Some shortcels seem to me they are so obsessed over their heights that they've forgotten they should live for themselves.

Easy to say if you have granted income (like rich parents). What if you're one of those who even since the childhood have to go to work in some factory or on the field? How you're doing what you like to do if you're working at least 8 hours some heavy and/or stressful job and when you're back home you have to deal with washing clothes, some cooking, taking a shower... and then you feel so tired that you even can't do your hobby (like running or even just playing a PC game)?

Most of the people are so dependable of their jobs and duties that they just can't do what they like to do. Usually the thing you like to do, isn't profitable. For example, you like reading books and nobody pays you for this, moreover you have to pay for the books.

 I hope you know what's to be poor and to be a working poor? Like you work 22 days or more in a months and your salary is enough just to pay your utilities bills, some food, some clothes and... maybe to go to a bar once or to visit a cinema...

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I can name of a handful of things that are worse than being short. So you are 'luckier' than those who are suffering from worse things. Can't being luckier make you feel good?


 Good point but it is good to be continued with "And once you're luckier, start to compensate your shortness with other good traits like build a better body, a better health, try a new major, new income, upgrade, maxx everything you can."

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Learn that, if not only are you short but also you are negative, women will not only reject you as their boyfriends but also they will reject you as 'friends', and even no men will accept you as a friend because your inferior complexity can only make them feel pale. So you can see being negative will not only be detrimental on your mental state but also make you isolated.

 That's right. 2 bad traits > 1 bad trait.

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Learn that there are many things that do not require height. Learning Math, playing League of Legend, being on reddit, etc.

 :o :o :o :o :o :o :o What a good conclusion with such lame examples. ;D Okay, learning math (sort of edu-maxx) may be accepted as a good one, but instead giving them good idea how to compensate their shortness (build muscles, search for higher earnings, look for a place with shorter females -- gymmaxx, moneymaxx, geomaxx), you're teaching them how to enjoy being gamers or wasting time on a website which doesn't pay them anything? What's the result after many years of watching a screen sitting down (playing game or reading something on a website)? I'll tell you what: you'll be still short + you'll have problems with your health (eyes, waist, abnormal weight maybe... all these "benefits" of the sedentary lifestyle (久坐的生活方式).)
 
 Please, for your own sake, if you're a shortcel, realize that you're already in enough bad situation to afford the luxury of being a gamer, wasting time on websites that do not pay you anything or everything else related to the sedentary lifestyle! You need to focus on your better health and better body first and then compensate more with status, money, etc.! Do it until it's not too late.
Working 22 hours a day or something like is even not rampant in China and that means you only have two hours to rest. If you are a working poor, well admittedly my definition of 'living for yourself' was not proper enough. If you couldn't do what you like even not as an occupation then at least you should know how to 'self-care', subsuming not caring others' comments on you. This is kinda hard particularly if the commenter is your idol or someone you give respects to like you say, but why do you still consider him/her as your idol or someone you should respect if he/she does not like your height? You should know he/she is not worthy of your time. Well for me I can get rid of the obsessions with some important people in my life if he/she does not like my height. I don't think it is wise to be still obsessed with someone important but like that.

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Thank you for the interesting thread! And also thanks for how politely you explained that you're not a heightist (in Chinese: 高度主义者). It's good the shortcels and the short guys to know that we're not against them. I'm a shortcel too (in Europe, where I am from, where almost every 80% of the other males are taller than me and maybe only 10% are the same tall as me. It's a miracle to meet a shorter one from Europe and when I do I feel so proud of myself.  ;D Kidding...)

So, my fast 1st guess is: you're visiting shortcels' (and short guys' generally) communities which are full of men who are not successful. If you visit some successful short guys I think you'll never have this impression.

Try that: visit tallcels communities and others who are dealing with the problem called gigantism (in Chinese: 巨人症) and there compare. I think you will found out almost the same "unmatured, apathetic, extremely depressed & depressing, etc., like they have any negative characterstic of a man that you can think of."

When you're too-something (too short or too tall) and this makes your live hard, of course, you're going to be depressed and depressing, at best -- apathetic and so on.
Heightism is indeed rampant in China now, but if you encountered with anyone who was heightism and treated you badly just because of your height, just don't treat him/her seriously either. It's 100% possible to encounter with any haters in your life for a person. If you care about your haters, this indicates deep inside your mind, you are also hating yourself more or less because of what haters hate you for.

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Well if a post is not constructive it can't be a good post.

My suggestions for shortcels are(well maybe they are vacuous so take them or leave them):
1. Get a therapy or something like that that can recover your desparate incel mindset. You may say therapists can't change your height and they tend to just 'cope' you. Well firstly, you gotta get a therapy to get medications for your awful mental state. Secondly, why can they cope you? Isn't it because there are short men that can be used to cope? I think everyone can encounter with or know of a short man who is leading a good life can't it? Then think about why you can't be used to cope? Finally therapy is not just coping you. It contains multiple sessions and there are feedbacks per session for a therapist to analyze to recover your mental state.
2. Learn the lesson that you live for yourself, not for others. Maybe even if you could get taller, there may be someone who said you were ugly, would you consider a plastic surgery? Even if you could get it, there may be someone who said you were poor, would you consider getting richer because of what he/she said? Don't you find it ridiculous to do something just because of a man/woman's word? As for how to live yourself, well IMO if you are doing what you like to do, you can say you are living for yourself. Some shortcels seem to me they are so obsessed over their heights that they've forgotten they should live for themselves.
3. Accept that life is indeed unfair, and no one should believe in it, but that does not mean you should give it up because you are suffering from its unfairnesses. You gotta realize that being short is not the worst thing. I can name of a handful of things that are worse than being short. So you are 'luckier' than those who are suffering from worse things. Can't being luckier make you feel good?
4. Learn that, if not only are you short but also you are negative, women will not only reject you as their boyfriends but also they will reject you as 'friends', and even no men will accept you as a friend because your inferior complexity can only make them feel pale. So you can see being negative will not only be detrimental on your mental state but also make you isolated.
5. Learn that there are many things that do not require height. Learning Math, playing League of Legend, bsing on reddit, etc., neither of them require your height. So you are not mistreated when you are doing those things. Just enjoy those things that do not require being tall. There are some cases that I knew of in which a man/woman is limited in what he/she likes to do because he/she is short. Well I feel sorry for him/her, but I think you will only be limited by being eligible for doing what you like to do as a major/occupation, of course it is sad but you can still do them, and if you really like to do them, you should be motivated by yourself to do them even though  being eligible to do them as a major/occupation.

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