[Good incel]

That's a high IQ song.

[Xsokii]

Edited.

1. Avoid cursing in different forms, please. This may harm our forum's ranking and our advertising (income) opportunities.

2. Don't use non-English languages in the English sections. You can post in the Other languages board.

[Alexa]

Edited. Please, try to understand. I'm not against you, I'm against the cursing. "Få vekk" is so-so ("Get out of here.") but the rest... let's be without hate, as it was stipulated.

[Xsokii]

I'm actually used to swearing on other forums but I try not to swear as much anymore.
Bad habit.

[Good incel]

I don't know why I got cursed.  I only wanted to say that the song's lyrics are not good for the intelligent people and I were joking. Just for the record.

[MSL]

 If the marks are objective, they're the best IQ "mirror".

[SEO]

Plus, don't forget another reason why we dislike cursing... it's because we're the nicest place on the net! Remember?

[Zhang Jie]

But the grades and the IQ are related. Not totally but you can't be a low IQed and to have good grades, can you?

The first argument is contradictory to the second argument. I think unless your IQ is too low like below 80 which is considered as retarded, you can have good grades, since I've seen one example some time ago.

They just overlap. You see, an IQ test is a test the same as an exam in the school which is also a test but more concrete. The marks (diploma) are something like a whole IQ test (even more than it if there are PE marks, which are showing your "PE Q", art marks, music marks, etc.) To me a diploma (if it's not fake or based on corrupted teachers) is showing more what you're as a person than an IQ test.
 Think about it: what is more important? To know if someone answers well about "Which object comes next?" (like in this one: ) or to know how well a person learned the subject "Logic" (the logic marks) in school? Or to know that someone found where is the triangle out of the squares compared to know his/her "Geometry" marks?
 And yes, there is a strong correlation between the IQ (and the EQ) and the marks. If you agreed that the low IQ people can't learn well, it means that these (IQ, EQ and the marks) somehow overlap.
 Let's define the "IQ": Intelligence quotient, which is a score that shows how well someone understands and interprets the world around them. If we use this definition, well, sorry but if you do understand and interpret the world well, then most of your marks should be good.

IQ test does not just have pattern-recognization items, and with all due respect you need to know more about IQ tests. The rigorous IQ tests are normed properly, and have excellent psychometric properties which can produce a score that is very representative of your general intelligence(aka 'g') deriving from its high g-loading(the correlation to 'g'), and general intelligence is intensively backed up by tons of psychometric researches and empirical statistical evidences. I can't go too far here since I myself dare not say I am very expert at this topic and you need to do a lot of researches yourself instead of relying on my eludications. I am not blaming you for being ignorant about this topic in the slighest bit since this is not popular and people tend not to go down this shithole so it's totally understandable and 'innocent'.

Let's go back to the topic. The biggest reason why I kinda love America is... Yeah I am Autismmaxxing lol, is its most abundance of IQ tests all over the world! And they are of very awesome qualities! And this is the reason why I think America is the country most obsessed with IQ. IQcels are living the worst lives there and yeah in China and S.Korea. And I firmly insist that IQcels have more excuses to be suffering from inferior complexities. Being tall.. really only does matter in dating and some of occupations, but IQ influences how good your life is to a degree and if your IQ is too low, yeah then your life is really doomed.

Btw, my academic history is really just average.

[Zhang Jie]

Marks are better check because they show you in many subjects, for a longer time. IQ test is just once. I think if everything was about the IQ tests, then there will be no marks in schools. We will only take an IQ test once.

If you are talking about the significance of the oscillation of IQ, then you are wrong. IQ is not only the most valid psychological construct but also the most stable one. People tend to have a static IQ along the life after their intelligences finish developping until they have brain damages, intoxications, etc.. For ex, if you got 100 IQ on gold standard IQ tests such as WAIS/Stanford-Binet, then your IQ stays 100 along your life unless you encounter with horrible incidents, so IQ test being just once can't refute the stability of IQ.

And you can't confuse IQ with grade. They correlate with each other of course but not strongly, at least not as strongly as many people think that if you have high grades your IQ is high, or only if your IQ is high you can have high grades. I've seen many cases in which the person with an IQ that is SDs higher than mine has lower grades than mine because he/she does not try. I even happened to know that a guy named Jenny got 150+ IQ on Old SAT Math which is an extremely good indication of your quantitative talent got ineligible by his teacher's letter sent to his parents and he cried about it lol.

[Zhang Jie]

I don't know, not sure but is it related to the incels? If not, tell me to move it to another board. Otherwise, tell us what do you mean? High IQcels something?

Yeah this topic is related to IQcel. Like China is obsessed over height, America is obsessed over IQ.

If we're going to make these generalizations, I'd say that "China" (i. e. most of the adult Chinese I met) is obsessed over money. I saw tall but poor people without girlfriends but I never saw rich people who're single. Even those fat, short, old uncle type (or real uncles) Chinese do have women (some of them even more than just one; they like to collect more -- lovers, additional "wives"... the so-called "小三" ("thirdlet", a lover),  "小四" ("fourthlet"), "小老婆" ("weifelet") and others).
 Yes, there may be 60%-70% females who'll reject a rich shortcel but there are 99%+ who'll surely reject a poorcel.
 I don't blame them; this is the result of the not having enough and willing to have more. (It's popular in many other countries too. There are Western incels who said that the poor Chads in their places also can't get a girl and are in fact poorcels.) At least better than the opposite "be proud of being poor and obey the one in power willingly!".

I think the generation you are talking about is not 'new' enough? I've seen some very rich people with low heights however are single and have got refused by girls for tons of times, and yeah what you said is indeed applicable to the old generations of China but because the average quality of life has increased a lot, money is turning into an ambsace and for new generations, being rich with being too short like below 165cm barefoot for a man won't be able to be antidote to being a shortcel, unless you are very rich in addition to being very handsome(but still you can't be too short like below 160cm). You can never overestimate the benefit of richness.  What I am implying is that being richness does not amplify your dating pool to the same degree as being tall and handsome for new generations now.
If you have one disadvantage and one advantage, the final outcome will be dependent of the weighs of them and the magnitudes of them, for new generations, the weighs of height and face are way heavier than money.

[SEO]

IQ test does not just have pattern-recognization items

who said they have only this? I saw as an example only (+ some school subject example).

[SEO]

for new generations, the weighs of height and face are way heavier than money.

I think for all generations good-looking is better for falling in love than just money. The problem is that new or old, no female will stay with you if you're homeless, you don't pay her bills at least A-A and you're not providing her. Some Chinese women even want you to give money to their parents. Try having a girl-friend in China only with height and face and see how long she's with you (if she start to at all).

No, seriously, find a handsome dude and make him to invite a girl saying that he's jobless, not going to pay dinners and no car, only pure love, walking in the parks, sitting and talking at home and drinking home-made tea... See how many girls will say "No problem, 帅哥就够了啊！"

[Zhang Jie]

IQ test does not just have pattern-recognization items

who said they have only this? I saw as an example only (+ some school subject example).

哲学家 was implying IQ test only has pattern-recognization items(thus you get 'PQ' by an IQ test) and I pointed out that was totally false.
And, by the way, to improve your epistemologies about the types of the items of IQ test, the types contain: Information(Knowledge), Similarity, Vocabulary, Reading Comprehension, Matrix Reasoning, Visual Puzzle, etc., and Matrix Reasoning(the type 哲学家 showcased to us) is just one corner of the iceberg. IQ test is way more complex than you think, and the science(Psychometrics) behind it is very intriguing and I gotta spare millions of words to elucidate it. You can se the science is very abstruse. It is heavily reliant on Statistics and Psychology. If you are interested I can recommend you my own bibilography and after reading these books you will learn a lot about Psychometrics. 

[MSL]

哲学家 was implying IQ test only has pattern-recognization items

Here, this reminds me another Chinese young man who said that he should protect China against me because I told him I dislike the current president. For him "You said you don't like 1 Chinese man." = "You're against all China."  Here the logic flaw is similar -- I gave an EXAMPLE (double example) with a type/types of IQ questions and school subjects. (And it was:

To know if someone answers well about "Which object comes next?" (like in this one: ) or to know how well a person learned the subject "Logic" (the logic marks) in school? Or to know that someone found where is the triangle out of the squares compared to know his/her "Geometry" marks?

) but the logic flaw brought us to the point where I am "implying IQ test only has pattern-recognization items". Liam, a quick question for you: if I say that "Rabbits are smaller than cars." are you making the conclusion that I am "implying" all the fauna has got only rabbits?
 No, it's okay, I am not a specialist about the IQ tests. I majored in Philosophy (Bachelor's) and Philosophical Anthropology (Master's). I learn about the human intelligence, behavior, brain, relationship with the animals, emotions and so on, but we didn't go into details about the IQ tests so I do admit you know the matter much better. I only underline again that the point wasn't what you got -- the point was that when I want to understand better the intellect and the nature of a person, I choose to see his/her marks than his/her IQ test. The marks (if they're objective) can show me more than the IQ test. And you know why? Exactly because for the good grades you need: more knowledge, more hard work, more EQ, more motivation... and as you noticed "because he/she does not try"...
 More, it's maybe true for some that "People tend to have a static IQ along the life after their intelligences finish developing", but I disagree that this is a rule for everybody. People who're active learners and do efforts may improve their intelligence more and more; it's "never finish". (Thinking of the IQ as static is very "a la black-pill": "no chance to improve", "it's over", "never begins" and other metaphysical, non-dialectical statements.)
 Here some more articles about it:

• The Fallacy Of A Fixed IQ -- "... the way that we classify, categorize, taxonomize, and access knowledge can be improved as we age, and thus our IQ scores can definitely increase (and decrease, if we don’t keep our brains actively improving!)."
• William Klemm, Ph.D., is a senior professor of Neuroscience at Texas A&M University: No, Your IQ Is Not Constant

They correlate with each other of course but not strongly, at least not as strongly as many people think that if you have high grades your IQ is high, or only if your IQ is high you can have high grades.

This you got right. Nobody is saying that "IQ test = grades", we're talking about the correlations, the overlapping. Higher IQ --> better chance for higher grades --> reinforcing the IQ (see Pygmalion effect) It's like the money, height and face: being rich doesn't provide you 100% high success rate but being poor (like carless, homeless, etc.) decreases your chances of having a love partner nearly 100%, hence the money is a necessity nowadays because in the capitalistic world (or neofeudal in some parts, but the money also matters there) the females are materialistic and clever enough to avoid getting trapped in poverty. A money-maxxed Melvin has more chances to get a partner than a beggar Chad. And from the other perspective -- being tall and handsome provides you more initial opportunities to find some better income, to be more welcomed for better jobs, etc. Here we have also got this reinforcement, correlation and so on.

IQcels have more excuses to be suffering from inferior complexities.

If they're high IQcel, then they can use all this insecurities (inferiority complexes) as a motivation to self-improve themselves. For example, I was afraid I am too slim (some honest girls told me) and I started to gain weight. Later when I was too fat, there were new honest girls who said that I have to lose weight and to build muscle mass and there I am: gym-maxxed myself, sport-maxxing non-stop... or when I felt I don't know enough 汉字（Chinese characters）, I just started to learn more (every day 1-2 new characters) and now my Chinese already is already around "HSK 4" level. The moroncels and other low IQ males who were in bad shape and who didn't know Chinese well, now are the same ugly-bodied men (dad-bod types) and their Chinese level is only "HSK 1"... So, as you can see, if you try harder and never stop, the results are showing up, gradually.

[MSL]

for new generations, the weighs of height and face are way heavier than money.

I think for all generations good-looking is better for falling in love than just money. The problem is that new or old, no female will stay with you if you're homeless, you don't pay her bills at least A-A and you're not providing her. Some Chinese women even want you to give money to their parents. Try having a girl-friend in China only with height and face and see how long she's with you (if she start to at all).

No, seriously, find a handsome dude and make him to invite a girl saying that he's jobless, not going to pay dinners and no car, only pure love, walking in the parks, sitting and talking at home and drinking home-made tea... See how many girls will say "No problem, 帅哥就够了啊！"

 And let Liam read how many Chinese females (from different generations) honestly are saying "I don't like poor males." ("我不喜欢穷的男人。"): https://www.baidu.com/s?ie=utf-8&f=3&rsv_bp=1&tn=cnopera&wd=我不喜欢穷的男人&oq=%25E6%2588%2591%25E4%25B8%258D%25E5%2596%259C%25E6%25AC%25A2%25E7%25A9%25B7&rsv_pq=ad47c81400021810&rsv_t=b160OSxOc8B2UnBw2x%2FSq3QRxPNhj2xf8w%2BXIH6YT88tbx5dPcm3rKgS3IS%2FQA&rqlang=cn&rsv_enter=1&rsv_dl=ts_1&rsv_sug3=1&rsv_sug1=1&rsv_sug7=100&rsv_sug2=1&rsv_btype=t&prefixsug=%25E6%2588%2591%25E4%25B8%258D%25E5%2596%259C%25E6%25AC%25A2%25E7%25A9%25B7&rsp=1&rsv_sug4=11634