[Zhang Jie]

In China being short or tall is both okay unless you are too short or tall, so that height is the least worried over thing for a woman here.

 Of course not like in South Korea or in the West, but in China there is this "高白富美" (gao-bai-fu-mei) which means "Tall + white (whitish) + rich + pretty (handsome)", which describes the ideal that most of the females (and some males) wish for.

 Yes, the pop-cultures (which are in fact sub-cultures) are ingraining the standards to a high degree. Also, all those, plastic surgeries businesses... they also do influence the standards.
 
 

Man's height is more important than face

is the popular in the incels communities opinion "height > face" (or even "height > everything") but also there are the opponents (the majority) who claim that "face > height" (or even "face > everything"). I think that really the face has more "weight" in the "equation" of attractiveness, for example, let's say that the face influences ~70% of the whole attractiveness and the height up to ~15%.


2SD = "2 standard deviations" and 0.5 SD = "half standard deviation"? Is it?
 
 Yes, usually for the females the height isn't a problem. Till now I only heard some (Chinese) and one (Bulgarian) story when a woman was rejected by the males (or by their parents) for being "too short" (and it's not because the women in question were very ugly; it was about those worries about the kids -- that if the mother is short maybe the kids will be short too).

 

I learned that that is because 'eggs are more precious than sperms'

Maybe it's a fact in the biology level. But also there are other biological, psychological, social reasons. Sometimes even demographical ones. From the perspective of the Chads (the top few %) it's also normal: they're more picky than the normies and than the incels because they just got more choice. An analogy with the food. If you're hungry and you have only 1 choice (like a soup) you'll just deal with it and you'll 99.99% eat the soup. But if you're hungry and you can choose: a soup, an apple pie, a rou jia mo (肉夹馍, the so-called "Chinese hamburger"), boiled eggs and sushi, well maybe the soup will be not your choice.
 So, according to my analysis, the main reason is that the females just got more options. I know (historically) females who were lacking of choice (like those in the USSR where the male:female ration was terrible due to the wars) and some of them were happy just to have at least one male who's willing to marry them. Exactly the opposite with the current situation where a female goes online and in a dating website or app she is hit with hundreds of fans but a male normie hardly may get a single fan.

including low IQ and a not good face

 This is only according to you.  Most of the people (including me) said that you're not ugly at all and valued you at least 5/10, right? And "low IQ" is impossible once you are capable of writing philosophy of art article, learning psychometrics and being able to use a foreign language in this higher level.

For low IQ it's hard to explain it here but I indeed got low score on an IQ test(professional one, though there are concrete evidences backing up the low quality of it) and during that time that was the main reason why I cracked up, which is still conking in my head even now.

 I dislike many of these because they also take into account the speed of your answers. Okay, we know that being too slow isn't intelligent. But, wait: there are many creative people, chess players, mathematicians, philosophers, etc., who will give you a way better result only if you provide them with more time. Which is better? An average result for a short time or a genius result for a doubled amount of time? So, in case you failed, because you didn't answer in 10 seconds but you answered in 23 seconds, it's not a problem.
 Another important thing: I met and communicated with some people who had high IQ scores but didn't impress me with something unusual -- yes, surely I saw they're above the average person (for example they can't say they don't know who was Pol Pot or where is Pakistan like many of the normies who're terrible at history, geography, politics and so on ) but still, you can find many of their flaws like ultra-nationalistic ideas (jingoism, hitlerism, putinism, etc.), lacking of logic to understand some economy's rule, ~0 knowledge about art and so on. That's why I do agree with a colleague-philosopher who said once that the present IQ tests are not representative enough.

It's pretty understandable that a man's height weighs way higher than his face since man must be masculine, and being short makes you cute which is a big no-no for a man.

As for IQ, I forgot to mention I also got many high scores on many good IQ tests: Old SAT/GRE, on which I got 105 verbal IQ and 132 mathematical IQ, Stanford-Binet V, on which I got 120 IQ on Nonverbal Verbal Knowledge, 136 IQ on Quantative Reasoning, 110 IQ on Verbal Visuo-spatial, and 115 IQ on Nonverbal Fluid Reasoning, compositing a 125-130 IQ, 110 IQ on Miller and high scores here and there. I also self-tested Kangaroo past forms, I got two medals on two forms, and generally speaking the scores were also very good. I have shity analytical ability(measured by Old GRE Analytical and Kangaroo Information and Computational Thinking and LSAT Logical Reasoning and Analytical sections) though.

That low score(100 IQ) was just an outlier by all of the evidences. Anyway it's not easy to construe all of the stuffs about IQ and IQ testing with simple words here but you can google 'general intelligence', 'the validity and reliability', and 'g-loading' to get an abstraction of the whole topic. Anyway it is not correct to claim the score on IQ tests is not representative of your intelligence, as long as the test is good enough. I can also introduce you to a reddit community in which there are lots of topics about IQ and IQ tests, which are very intriguing. If you are interested I can introduce you there.

I was just obsessed over that low score and couldn't get over it. Another reason is that my grades are not good, but I have heard of hundreds of stories in which a high IQ individual got lower grades than me. So you can see the factors except IQ are also important.

But anyway thx for your empathy and consoling. I am highly appreciating it.

[Zhang Jie]

I hope by saying this I can achieve some empathy, which I believe I can def achieve.

For sure and of course but remember that you're too sensitive and work on it. For example it's not good because of some IQ test to feel bad for years. Who cares? Really. Everyone wants to see your real achievements (results) nobody gives a damn what's your score on this test or that test. They'll 'test' your status, property, bank account  more than the scores in your diplomas or psycho tests.

Yeah but since everyone does not know about IQ and they are always 'gauging' your IQ by your grades, occupational success, political stances etc., which is very stupid by the professional psychometric knowledges, I don't care about my 'perceived' IQ. But indeed I should get rid of IQ tests and turn to work on really meaningful shits.

Btw, my political stance is between Liberalism and Conservatism, anti-C.C.P, and 'Rightist'. I can't describe myself with more exact political terms since I do not know much about it but for sure you can get a rough idea of my political stance, although I still don't know why we can gauge one's IQ by his/her political belief.

[Xsokii]

So, I think it's not some generation thing because a few months ago I had a similar conversation with a 14 years old ('09) too (She is something like 150 cm and she is the shortest in her class) who worried a lot if she is going to remain the shortest forever.

I wasn't born in 2009. I was born in 2008 making me 15 in a few months when my birthday hits.

I'm pretty short compared to everyone else and I don't like it 

[Zhang Jie]

So, I think it's not some generation thing because a few months ago I had a similar conversation with a 14 years old ('09) too (She is something like 150 cm and she is the shortest in her class) who worried a lot if she is going to remain the shortest forever.

I wasn't born in 2009. I was born in 2008 making me 15 in a few months when my birthday hits.

I'm pretty short compared to everyone else and I don't like it 

Hey, I am Libgen, if I am not mistaking you for that girl, who said she wrote an essay about time travelling, long time no see!

I was busy with other forums so I had some time not to post here. It is a very good forum tbh! I become energetic because of this forum!

[Xsokii]

So, I think it's not some generation thing because a few months ago I had a similar conversation with a 14 years old ('09) too (She is something like 150 cm and she is the shortest in her class) who worried a lot if she is going to remain the shortest forever.

I wasn't born in 2009. I was born in 2008 making me 15 in a few months when my birthday hits.

I'm pretty short compared to everyone else and I don't like it 

Hey, I am Libgen, if I am not mistaking you for that girl, who said she wrote an essay about time travelling, long time no see!

I was busy with other forums so I had some time not to post here. It is a very good forum tbh! I become energetic because of this forum!

There is only 1 Kitsune/Lexi and that is me. The girl who wrote an essay about time traveling.
I know you're Libgen (you change your name a lot).
I'll turn 15 in like a few months from now.

[Zhang Jie]

So, I think it's not some generation thing because a few months ago I had a similar conversation with a 14 years old ('09) too (She is something like 150 cm and she is the shortest in her class) who worried a lot if she is going to remain the shortest forever.

I wasn't born in 2009. I was born in 2008 making me 15 in a few months when my birthday hits.

I'm pretty short compared to everyone else and I don't like it 

Hey, I am Libgen, if I am not mistaking you for that girl, who said she wrote an essay about time travelling, long time no see!

I was busy with other forums so I had some time not to post here. It is a very good forum tbh! I become energetic because of this forum!

There is only 1 Kitsune/Lexi and that is me. The girl who wrote an essay about time traveling.
I know you're Libgen (you change your name a lot).
I'll turn 15 in like a few months from now.

I was busy with reddit discord and a domestic self-help depression group on QQ. Yeah I have Depression OCD ADHD and Autism, where Depression and OCD are torturing me most. ADHD and autism are not problems comparatively speaking.

Generally speaking I am having good time in the depression group, but I was envious with a girl whose grades except English were all godly and once she said it was okay to be not gifted but rich which infuriated me as hell, I quitted the group and blocked her, but luckily we reconciled with each other. I am a man full of jealousy because my fate is doleful. Except being rich I am indeed a trash in the trashy bin.

[Xsokii]

I'm also Autistic lol.

All my grades would be considered godly too lol as I get A+'s in my classes.

If you need to talk I'm here for you, Libby!

[Zhang Jie]

I'm also Autistic lol.

All my grades would be considered godly too lol as I get A+'s in my classes.

If you need to talk I'm here for you, Libby!

Thx! The most cognitive deficit is my poor logical reasoning, which is deteriorating my OCD and my OCD is deteriorating it. The dynamics is vicious and I am suffering from it every day.

[Xsokii]

I'm also Autistic lol.

All my grades would be considered godly too lol as I get A+'s in my classes.

If you need to talk I'm here for you, Libby!

Thx! The most cognitive deficit is my poor logical reasoning, which is deteriorating my OCD and my OCD is deteriorating it. The dynamics is vicious and I am suffering from it every day.

Same tbh. I'm kinda the same way in some aspects.

[MSL]

I hope by saying this I can achieve some empathy, which I believe I can def achieve.

For sure and of course but remember that you're too sensitive and work on it. For example it's not good because of some IQ test to feel bad for years. Who cares? Really. Everyone wants to see your real achievements (results) nobody gives a damn what's your score on this test or that test. They'll 'test' your status, property, bank account  more than the scores in your diplomas or psycho tests.

Yeah but since everyone does not know about IQ and they are always 'gauging' your IQ by your grades, occupational success, political stances etc., which is very stupid by the professional psychometric knowledges, I don't care about my 'perceived' IQ. But indeed I should get rid of IQ tests and turn to work on really meaningful shits.

Btw, my political stance is between Liberalism and Conservatism, anti-C.C.P, and 'Rightist'. I can't describe myself with more exact political terms since I do not know much about it but for sure you can get a rough idea of my political stance, although I still don't know why we can gauge one's IQ by his/her political belief.

According to the political reality the present China is neo-imperatorized, the full power is in the so-called president (like the ancient emperors), i. e. we're dealing with a neo-feudal reality, thus the C.C.P. doesn't exist as such (except formally), so in fact you can't be anti-C.C.P (nor pro-C.C.P.) because it's already not a real political subject but a tool of the one full-empowered person. I was pro-C.C.P. when it was operating as such (Hu Jintao's period and before him). Now I just can't be because it's already not a real party but I keep my socialistic beliefs (to support the weak, the poor; to make things as cheap as possible, to give people more freedom and happiness, to give them more security, to give them the socialistic democracy, a real republic, to develop humanistic culture and so on.)

why we can gauge one's IQ by his/her political belief.

I mean those obviously primitive political ideas like the ultra-nationalism (Hitlerism (Nazism), for example or the present days' Rashism) where the followers think that after they kill somehow all the Jews, Ukrainians or Japanese, then they'll start to live in a paradise like society. Only low-IQed person (and/or crazy) can really accept these anti-human ideologies that state simply "We kill all of X people, then the happiness is coming."    So, I think that when you see some with these low ultra-radicalized ideas, you can know it's not a clever and/or normal person.

my 'perceived' IQ

 In the societies this is what matters most. You can see that some politicians or businessmen aren't very well educated and don't say very wise things, but the mass of the people think that they're great. At the same time some really clever, knowledgeable people like some of the professors in the academies and universities do speak a lot of good stuff but the mass of the people even don't know who are they and what are they talking about.
 Let's talk about the inceldoms for a while.  Think about this analogy:

• A Chad can't make more than 12 pull ups and lift more than 20 kg but the Stacies and Beckies perceive him as a strong, capable man.
• A gymcel can make 32 pull ups and lift 50 kg but the Stacies and Beckies perceive him as a weak, over-compensating man.

Who'll get more results? Of course the Chad.
 Or, let's talk about the countries: think about USA and Switzerland. Almost everything in Switzerland is better: the GDP per capita, the incomes, the security, the average culture and the average IQ of the population, the social care and so on. But there are people who even don't know what is this and where it is, maybe they just heard that it's a country somewhere in Europe. At the same time, all of them know USA and many of them perceive the USA as the best. As a result -- the attractiveness of the USA is way better than that of the Switzerland and most of the people who want to live abroad are dreaming of the USA not about Switzerland. USA is the "winner" in this context.
 So, you can develop your IQ (I even support people who want to be cleverer; I, myself, non-stop learn something new. Even useless things like "Seljuks in Chinese is "塞尔柱"." This is the last that I learned tonight so I gave it as the example.) But, at the same time, we should keep in mind that we also have to work on the "perceived IQ", i. e. to meet the expectation of the society (i. e. the mass, the most of the society, because there are also unique people like you, who aren't "typical mass"). Otherwise we're labeled as "losers" and it's not absolutely baseless because indeed if you have no social success (especially the money), you're nearly choiceless and powerless, freedomless as well. For example, you even can't travel when it comes to longer distances (the transportation isn't free) or you can't eat healthy food, etc. I learned this simple Chinese sentence: "钱是权" (Qian shi quan.) ("Money is power.", i. e. money gives you power/choice/right...)

[Zhang Jie]

I hope by saying this I can achieve some empathy, which I believe I can def achieve.

For sure and of course but remember that you're too sensitive and work on it. For example it's not good because of some IQ test to feel bad for years. Who cares? Really. Everyone wants to see your real achievements (results) nobody gives a damn what's your score on this test or that test. They'll 'test' your status, property, bank account  more than the scores in your diplomas or psycho tests.

Yeah but since everyone does not know about IQ and they are always 'gauging' your IQ by your grades, occupational success, political stances etc., which is very stupid by the professional psychometric knowledges, I don't care about my 'perceived' IQ. But indeed I should get rid of IQ tests and turn to work on really meaningful shits.

Btw, my political stance is between Liberalism and Conservatism, anti-C.C.P, and 'Rightist'. I can't describe myself with more exact political terms since I do not know much about it but for sure you can get a rough idea of my political stance, although I still don't know why we can gauge one's IQ by his/her political belief.

According to the political reality the present China is neo-imperatorized, the full power is in the so-called president (like the ancient emperors), i. e. we're dealing with a neo-feudal reality, thus the C.C.P. doesn't exist as such (except formally), so in fact you can't be anti-C.C.P (nor pro-C.C.P.) because it's already not a real political subject but a tool of the one full-empowered person. I was pro-C.C.P. when it was operating as such (Hu Jintao's period and before him). Now I just can't be because it's already not a real party but I keep my socialistic beliefs (to support the weak, the poor; to make things as cheap as possible, to give people more freedom and happiness, to give them more security, to give them the socialistic democracy, a real republic, to develop humanistic culture and so on.)

why we can gauge one's IQ by his/her political belief.

I mean those obviously primitive political ideas like the ultra-nationalism (Hitlerism (Nazism), for example or the present days' Rashism) where the followers think that after they kill somehow all the Jews, Ukrainians or Japanese, then they'll start to live in a paradise like society. Only low-IQed person (and/or crazy) can really accept these anti-human ideologies that state simply "We kill all of X people, then the happiness is coming."    So, I think that when you see some with these low ultra-radicalized ideas, you can know it's not a clever and/or normal person.

my 'perceived' IQ

 In the societies this is what matters most. You can see that some politicians or businessmen aren't very well educated and don't say very wise things, but the mass of the people think that they're great. At the same time some really clever, knowledgeable people like some of the professors in the academies and universities do speak a lot of good stuff but the mass of the people even don't know who are they and what are they talking about.
 Let's talk about the inceldoms for a while.  Think about this analogy:

• A Chad can't make more than 12 pull ups and lift more than 20 kg but the Stacies and Beckies perceive him as a strong, capable man.
• A gymcel can make 32 pull ups and lift 50 kg but the Stacies and Beckies perceive him as a weak, over-compensating man.

Who'll get more results? Of course the Chad.
 Or, let's talk about the countries: think about USA and Switzerland. Almost everything in Switzerland is better: the GDP per capita, the incomes, the security, the average culture and the average IQ of the population, the social care and so on. But there are people who even don't know what is this and where it is, maybe they just heard that it's a country somewhere in Europe. At the same time, all of them know USA and many of them perceive the USA as the best. As a result -- the attractiveness of the USA is way better than that of the Switzerland and most of the people who want to live abroad are dreaming of the USA not about Switzerland. USA is the "winner" in this context.
 So, you can develop your IQ (I even support people who want to be cleverer; I, myself, non-stop learn something new. Even useless things like "Seljuks in Chinese is "塞尔柱"." This is the last that I learned tonight so I gave it as the example.) But, at the same time, we should keep in mind that we also have to work on the "perceived IQ", i. e. to meet the expectation of the society (i. e. the mass, the most of the society, because there are also unique people like you, who aren't "typical mass"). Otherwise we're labeled as "losers" and it's not absolutely baseless because indeed if you have no social success (especially the money), you're nearly choiceless and powerless, freedomless as well. For example, you even can't travel when it comes to longer distances (the transportation isn't free) or you can't eat healthy food, etc. I learned this simple Chinese sentence: "钱是权" (Qian shi quan.) ("Money is power.", i. e. money gives you power/choice/right...)

The culprit of CCP having become into a cruel and brutal party is the desire for power and money, and they are obliterating all kinds of 'private ownerships' and managing them, which for sure by humanity, they will deprive their people of everything. But these need their people's corporations. They are exposing hypocratic propaganda to their people, some of which are hyperboled if they are showcasing the real situation of country or people in tandem with censoring, intimidating and even torturing their people, where the former is to obfuscate people who do not have the potiential of seeing through CCP about the true core of this party, and the latter is to prevent people from rebelling against the gov who have the potientials of seeing through CCP and the courages to rebel. I am not sure about the genesis of this two-sided countermeasure against the potiential rebellion though, maybe Stalin.

And yeah, Hu Jintao is a very desirable chairman. He is famous for his rational, scientific, stable and open ruling style. I remember how open China was when I was little. He also abolished agricultural tax, implemented nine-year compulsory education and improved the institute of medical insurance. I learned that, before 2009, China was accessible to the international websites, but the access was banned by Hu during the end of his time.

Well, you are indeed a diligent learner lol btw.

[SEO]

Are you kidding me?! It was said VERY CLEAR most of us are still living in China and we DON'T WANT this forum to be banned in China + we to have some problems. Cruel and brutal, huh? Isn't it cruel and brutal with your words to make our website banned and to harm our earnings?! Why you came to an INCEL SUBFORUM to talk about CCP?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? Is this going to make you better looking in the eyes of the females? I bet they will be like "Awwwww, Libby! Your anti-communism makes me so wet! I love you! Tell me more how you hate the communists! It makes me so horny!" Come, dude! Don't ruin this forum! We spent more than 11 years and thousands of hours to create it.

Now I have to lock this really good topic (the girls' height) just because of this political issue.

[MSL]

Warning: topic is currently/will be locked!
Only admins and moderators can reply.

 I really have to use my privilege here to answer shortly: everyone who can't see that the present state is no more one-Party republic but a neo-monarchy, i. e. a one-man (neo-monarch, neo-emperor, neo-tsar) feudal state just lives in the past and or can't see that China, Russia, North Korea, Belarus... are really not anymore republics -- they are, de facto, monarchies (kingdoms, empires) where the ruler (one man) decides everything and no party (parties) can be anything else than his tool/servant (tools or servants).
 The soon you realize it's just neofeudalism (the feudalism in the present that uses the new technologies) the better. It will remove the burden and you'll be able to focus on your real personal development (which is not politics and political science). I don't know do you want kids or not, but imagine this: some day when your kid/kids is/are willing something (a toy, good food, study abroad, money for hospital, etc.) they'll just expect from you to give them the thing (= money), they're not going to say "Yeah, 老爸 (dad), is poor and a loser in the life, but hey, see how well he describes the political propaganda! Hell yeah! Why I need to eat, why I need to study, why I need a home, when dad already told me about the politics?"

[Dimitroff]

Unlocked. Let's speak freely already against the terrible dictators. No room for political correctness.

[SEO]

Okay, let it be. Even Xi mogs Jie because he is taller, less delusional, more man-ish, etc. No problem to be honest.