[MSL]

Virgin wife

  Decades ago, not only in the conservative societies, it wasn't "so strange" if a man wanted to have a virgin girlfriend (and wife). It was something like a norm (especially when there were those rules, ideals, ethics, moral the sexual activity to become after the marriage, not before it). The last generations, however, here and there, are more open, more promiscuous and so on. Of course, there are still some religious and/or traditional societies where the process isn't so fast and there the virginity is still a value, but in many modern, democratic and semi-democratic societies the virginity isn't a value anymore (for most of the people over there). When the incels (a significant number of incels) want to have not just a girlfriend but a virgin one, this looks strange. (Especially from that point of view that they're even incapable to have a non-virgin one, so what kind of pickiness is it?! Looks like a hungry man who refuses bread or rice because he wants something more special like a pizza or sushi.)
 Well, now I'll explain it and I'll show you some private things from my experience (years ago).
 The incels who want virgin girlfriends (and wives) would like to be the first (and the last) in the bed; many of them think of the non-virgin females as "roasties" (dirty women; women who lost their vaginal attractiveness (labial elasticity indexx) due to the big number of the sexual partners, etc.)
 I also (in one period) wanted only a virgin girlfriend (and a future wife) but my motivation was purely health oriented (just didn't want to get some serious sexually transmitted infection because at that time I was dreaming of Chinese citizenship and the Chinese law does require health check -- if you're having something like HIV, for example, no way to apply even for the Chinese green card. Of course, recently, because of the emperorization of China, I don't want to apply even for the Chinese green card and I don't want to be a part of the nowadays Chinese society, especially if the emperor-like person is reelected again in March this year. Otherwise, I am just leaving after it.) But that time it was different, China was a safe, modern and comparatively cool country and I loved to help it, to be a part of the society and to serve the Party in all the good ways I can. So, I was searching for a virgin wife. And I refused many like Sophia Zhong (a Chinese young woman who said that she's a virgin but later admitted that she's not.) A short chat from 2009:

Me: 没找到了，可是今晚，我看到了-你不是我的理想的女人。(I didn't find another one, but tonight, I saw it - you are not my ideal woman.)
Sophia zhong: 好,你也不是我完美的男人. (Good, you're also not my perfect man.)
Sophia zhong: 我们彼此彼此 (Just alike.)
tatarkeshe: 我比你更完美。因为我的专业更高。我不骗人。我没忘了我们的聊天。我爱共产党。我用我的逻辑性。还有我是很浪漫的男人。(I am more perfect than you. Because my major is a high level one. I don't lie people. I didn't forget what we were chatting about. I love the Communist party. I am using my logic. And also, I am a very romantic man.)
tatarkeshe: 对。(Right.)
tatarkeshe: 886 (Bye-bye.)
Sophia zhong: 我喜欢浪漫的男人.可你有的时候太
Sophia zhong: 太过于......不知道怎么形容你了 (I like romantic men. But sometimes you're too, too... I don't know how to describe you.)
Sophia zhong: 太过于专牛角尖了吧, (Too special.)
tatarkeshe: 1。你不是处女。  2。 你骗了我关于你的处女的事。  3。 你跟别的男人有关系。  4。你觉得我不是完美。 5。你不记得我们的聊天。你什么都忘了。。。(1. You're not a virgin woman. 2. You lied about your virginity. 3. You're having relationships with other males. 4. You think that I'm not a perfect one for you. 5. You don't remember our previous chats. You forgot them all...)
tatarkeshe: 我没有原因喜欢你。(I have no reason to like you.)
tatarkeshe: 我不喜欢你了。(I don't like you.)
tatarkeshe: 拜 (Bye.)
Sophia zhong: u have said we are just common friend
tatarkeshe: 我已经不看你的句子。更好不要写。我觉得恶心。886 (I am already not reading your sentences. Better don't type. I feel sick of you. Good bye.)
Sophia zhong:
Sophia zhong:
Sophia zhong:
Sophia zhong: 888888888888888888888888888888 (Bye-bye-bye!)
Sophia zhong: 最后还想告诉你一句话: (At the end I want to tell you something:)
Sophia zhong: 你这样是永远不会有中国人真心喜欢你的. (If you keep your attitude like this, there will be no Chinese person who really likes you.)
Sophia zhong: 1.你疑心太重. 两个人在一起最重要是信任 . (1. You are too suspicious. The most important thing for two people together is trust . )
Sophia zhong: 2.你太过于专牛角尖. (2. You're too special.)
Sophia zhong: 3.总有你的理由. 不顾别人的感受. (3. There's always a reason for you. Regardless of other people's feelings.)
Sophia zhong: 4.你不尊重别人的隐私权.你能把和别人聊天的内容随便公布出来 .我知道.你肯定也会把现在的内容和别人说的.哈.随你吧.现在你已经令我死心了. (4. 4. You don't respect the privacy of others. You can post random chats with people .I know. You will definitely put the current content with what others say. Ha. As you please. Now you've killed my feelings. )
Sophia zhong: 88 (Bye.)
Sophia zhong: ANYWAY. GOOD LUCK.
 
 Well, she means that I should be more naive and to believe that she's a virgin person and at the same time she will deal with many other men, will use them for money, pleasures and so on... and I just to be the idiot who will believe her (and who will keep the secrets, because it's "privacy". Well, I don't think so and I am glad I didn't fall in this simple trap of hers.) 

[MSL]

Some more points that I had (in 2009) about the desired virginity.

 There were many females in China who opposed my idea to search for a virgin girlfriend (virgin wife). They often asked something like "Are you a virgin man too?" or said something like "If you need a virgin, you should go to search in a kindergarten. Only these very young girls are still virgin." So, I made some points (to make them understand why at that time I had to be very careful not to catch some STD problem). Here they are:

在中国已经没有处女吗?! (Are there no more virgin females in China?!)

说明一下为什么我需要只有干净的老婆：(Making it clear why do I only want a clean wife.)
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如果一个女人不是处女我怎么知道：(If a woman isn't a virgin, than how I can be sure that:)

一 ： 她的之前的工作是不是妓女（“小姐“）？(1. Her previous job wasn't a prostitute (aka "lady")?)
二 ： 她的身体有没有性病？(2. Her body isn't infected with a venereal disease/-s?)
三 ： 她的道德好不好？(3. Is her morality good?)

处女 = 更安全。(Virgin woman = safety.)
安全 - 第一！(Safety first!)

1. 我不知道了在中国有那么多妓女。每一个旅馆，KTV, 小路有妓女 (小姐). (1. I didn't know that there are so many prostitutes in China. In almost every hotel, karaoke bar, little streets there are prostitutes ("ladies"). It was that time; later their number was reduced and can't see them everywhere so obviously, if you don't count different illegal ads in the toilets, online...)
2. 我没有过性病.可是我的前女友给了我性病,因为他说我是她的第7个男朋友!... (2. I never had a STD before but the first time I got some from an ex-Chinese girlfriend and the reason was that according to her I was her 7th male in the bed.)
3. 如果女人已经做过性爱,有可能她已经习惯了换经常男人. (3. If a woman already used to have sexual activity, there is a probability that she used to change her partners often.) (In fact it's nothing that shows what's the probability because there are some virgins who later will do the same because "I want to try with more men, to see what's the difference!" and so on.)

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Another from that period (around 2009, as I said):

"1. Chinese government does not allow AIDS-foreigners to work in China. So if a non-virgin makes me AIDS positive I will leave China forever. (More concrete cases with HIV/AIDS related people who were trying to work in China years ago: https://answers.travelchinaguide.com/question/462889.htm.)
2. It is not a secret that in China the prostitution is too much. Many ex-prostitutes, who people here just call "xiao-jie" are saying that they got only one bf, but in fact they slept with 500-600 males at least.
3. If a woman is not virgin there is a big chance she already to get the habit to make sex with not only one man and to cheat often. The habits are a Second nature.
4. I don't mean you. I am talking about the situation at all. All my family members would like me to marry to a virgin girl who is keeping her cherry for her real love - the husband. That's all.
Thank you for your understanding!"
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 Even though, there were females who couldn't get the points. They were just too selfish and/or stupid to be able to understand something as simple as that (I need to be healthy and I can't afford the risk when there is discrimination against people with a certain virus.)
 So, there were more tries:
 "Let me explore this sentence:


"if u are virgin too, of course u can ask for a virgin. but if u are not.... "

=

1. If you're Chinese too, of course u can ask for Chinese. But if u are not...

2. If you're woman too, of course u can ask for woman. But if u are not...

3. If you're a banana too, of course u can ask for bananas to eat. But if u are not...

  偏见。。。歧视！(Prejudice...  discrimination!)

然我教你一点逻辑性，可以吗？(Let me teach you a bit logic, alright?)
我自己不是女人，可是还想女人。我自己不是中国人，可是还想中国人。我自己不是处的，可是我还想处女。有问题吗？ 我不会只有想我一样的东西。比如我不是水果，可是我想吃水果。(I am not a woman but I do want a woman. I am not a Chinese but I want a Chinese female. I am not a virgin but I do want a virgin woman. Are there some questions?/Is there a problem? I can't like only things that are the same as I am. For example, I am not a fruit but I want to eat fruit.)
处女 - 更好， 所以我想处女。每一个人肯定需要好的，不需要不好的。对吗？(A virgin woman -- it's better. So, I want a virgin one. Every person would like to have the good one, doesn't want to have the bad one. Right?)
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我只有在找处女的。已经不要跟藻的女人做爱，结婚，什么的。要干净的生活。就是这样的。(I want to search only for a virgin one. Already don't want with f*ck-ed woman to make love, to get married and so on. I want a clean life. Just like that.)



现在是什么社会？难道20岁是处女，还是一件可耻的事吗？尊严! (What society is it now? Is it still a shame to be a virgin at the age of 20? Dignity!)
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[MSL]

 And some more... It was good that I used to save these things. Now it's useful to add more content for this website (and concretely for the incels' subforum).

 "Sex history is important, but some stupid guys do not think so.
a) They are too stupid to know what is "sex history".

b) They do now what to be N' 407 or 542 in the bed of their future wife so they easy believe some answers like:

"You're my 2nd. I had ONLY ONE bf." 

c) Some of them are already too experienced, so they think "If I am dirty, let my wife be dirty, too." They don't realize that it is better to have "dirty + clean", than "dirty + dirty".

d) Some of them are freaks so they think that the virgins are not good in sex, or even they're crazy, so they do not like virgins.

All this is not OPEN MIND, it is IDIOTIC MIND, in my point of view.

Sure, it is not true that the virgin wife will be boring. In fact girls who had sex with many males are already BORED and RUDE, because for them the husband is just "THE NEXT OF MANY"."

Well, I would like to say that the things are very individual and after so many years of sexology learning I'd say that there are virgin and non-virgin people in all these categories.
 And I am not searching for a virgin anymore. It's really nearly impossible to find an adult who is still virgin and who's a female.

[MSL]

 Oh... there is another one. A lot of content.

" 那如果你也需要处男人-我很高兴，因为你也是个合理的女人。性病不好！(If you also need a virgin male -- I am very glad, because it shows that you're a reasonable woman. STDs aren't a good thing!)

 That's it.
 Well, I hope it brings some light about why there are many incels who still do hope to find a virgin girlfriend (and wife).

[Alexa]

Hahahaaaaaaa lack of virginity!

[Xsokii]

A lot of people around my age are already having sex.
I, for one, probably won't have sex until I turn 18 or something.
There may be exceptions for now, I stand firmly with the above.

[MSL]

 Yay! That's what some people call "Iron Maiden".

[Xsokii]

It really depends. Does being a virgin make me more attractive to men? Would it increase my chances of getting a man?

[MSL]

 Well, only if there is a man who thinks that the virginity is a value. (Some of them will think of it as not important or even an obstacle.)
 If you're living in a society when most of the girls are virgin till the marriage, surely, it's useful. But if you're in the opposite -- where the virginity is very rare and there are even people who laugh at the virgins, what is the use of it when it comes to find a man? It's nearly 0. About the health -- it saves you some chance to get a disease, so it's a sort of a + (a plus).

[Alexa]

Maybe you knew it maybe you didn't. I see many of the incels (especially in the blackpilled communities) aren't very intelligent guys so, especially for them: nowadays the virgin woman may be not every time natural (naturally virgin). What I mean is that there are those medical ways called hymenoplasty (aka "hymenorrhaphy"): hymen reconstruction surgery (hymen is what makes the difference between virgin and non-virgin female). So there are soma virgins who are just technically virgin but not really virgin. You understand what I mean? So, at this point, it's senseless to search for a virgin one because... well, you never know.

[Good incel]

Or those ones who only do it anally and orally... they do keep their hymens but they're not virgin in the real meaning of the world which means (never had sexual activity before).

[Gay]

I am adding that there are some virgin gays too. Mostly these are the gaycels and some of the lesbiancels.

[Incel]

In case you don't know it, some virgin ones have STDs but some non-virgin haven't. Of course, the percentage isn't the same but have to know it.

[Gay]

Yes. I know why.

[MSL]

 Knowledge is power.